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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

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Actually you can get whole grain at reformhaus, they really carry a lot of non processed and whole grain foods. The truth is that in other countries supermarkets have aisles specialized in this type of foods and not here in CH but you can still find them. When I have gone over the border to Germany the supermarkets there do have a special aisle...
I am really lucky that just across the street we have a bio restaurant and they also carry a lot of this type of foods
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Yes, I do as a matter of fact, and it is really quite simple, I am looking for pasta that is made from whole grains, and it is not common in Switzerland.
I found whole wheat pasta in Denner. Only one variety - spirals, but my kid likes tunnels. Müller and another shop in Zug sells it too. We don't eat much white pasta because it leaves us feeling bloated. My husband started eating pasta here where it would regularly be a canteen meal. I am surprised how often my son's day care has pasta for lunch too. Guess it is a cost saver.

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Yes I do, I am looking for bread that is made from whole grains, and I don't really care if it is spelt or wheat, so long as it is whole grain, and there are very few selections in this category in Migros or COOP.
I buy Korn-Fit-Brot from Migros. I didn't find this difficult to find. I *think* the korn bagels might be whole wheat as well, but there are no bags for them listing the ingredients.

My husband complains that I spend too much time reading the labels I was surprised to find that pre-packed salads and vegetables contain an additive to keep them fresh in the bag - and I was going to give the pre-cut pumpkin to my baby because I couldn't find it elsewhere. Cheese with less than 40% cheese - now that's plain yuk. Meat that isn't meat or full of water and additives - yuk. I wanted jam yesterday, and some had hardly any fruit, but many looked like they put the seeds back in without the fruit and made up the difference with a filler

It is important for me to know what I am eating. I've been very under weight from poor nutrition and overweight. I got heavier from eating junk food / convenience food when I started working than from having my 2 babies (last pregnancy +4kgs). During pregnancy I ate healthier, more often and bigger portions. Now it is important that I teach my kids about healthy eating. My son knows about moderation and that having too much of something isn't good for you. If he drinks too much milk or eats too many clementines he'll feel sick. What we feed our children forms their tastes and choices for life too. Fruit should be a snack and not biscuits/cake and certainly not chips, crisps or chocolate. Desert in our house is usually fruits too, but we try to get what's in season and I love the summer fruits here and cherries. Better than cake or ice cream in my opinion.

My supermarket shop is mostly fruit and vegetables. We eat lots of lentils, chick peas, cous cous and dahl with our meals or as the meal. Every meal has fresh vegetables and we have chips occasionally, but brushed in olive oil and oven baked.

We are what we eat. Every time on holiday, a few days eating out leaves us feeling full, constipated and tired and all we crave is a dish with lots of greens and a salad.

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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

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Evidence shows (i.e. looking around at the general populous here) that neither adults nor children seem to eat a great deal of crap food. Go home to the UK (or in your case, Canada) and there is a veritable plethora of fatties; fatty kids and their fatty parents. It's the norm.

I'll take my chances with Migros and Coop, thanks very much.
I think unhealthy lifestyles are made up of more than just poor food. When I lived in the UK, I noticed how people (and kids, too) moved so little. Physical exercise was not particularly sought after. I went for walks frequently and everybody warned me I was just asking for being raped.

Here people go swiming, marathon training, skiing, riding bikes or whatever, as a family, and eventhough I consider it another obsession sometimes (go read your kids books or discuss world politics, racial matters and social skills with them, haha) I know it leaves them healthier.

I do not think that people really eat much healthier here, rather less and cost savvy, hence the meat once a week, so much pasta,etc. They move more. I am not sure how healthy people here shop in Migros and Coop, nor do I really care, they buy what their wallet allows them and they should not feel worse, either, for making unhealthy choices because it costs a lot. I actually like Aldi and Denner, since the food seems the same to me there, minus the cost and ocassional snoby die hard Migros or Coop fans.

The little petites fromages and puddings in Migros for babies pish me off, not only they are laden with sugar, art colors and preservatives but also with sweeteners. Who wants to feed their little one some chemical crap? Coop has a range with no evil anything for kiddos, but they are also very kid palate unfriendly.

Ok, sorry. Rant over. I find the bitch with fast food and kids is the fact you really do not know what you are feeding them. Thanks, Swisspea, for the handy reminder. Friendly moms should be aware that other moms like to have control over what their tot is being fed for whatever reasons and keep their fries to themselves .
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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

Maybe i'm a bit extreme but my kids don't have any sweet stuff during the week but are allowed a treat on Saturday. They are aged 6 and 10...
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I know!!!! I changed the way to do it now, I put her directly in the oil with the fries, 2 in 1! And I save on the oil....
So you DO eat fries then!
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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

I'd say:

Toddlers no Junk Food
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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

Have you read through the thread? It's gone a bit beyond that already.

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Toddlers no Junk Food
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So you DO eat fries then!
Yes I do, once a while...

But I'm not a 15 months old kid.
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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

Here, here! I don't know how to thank yet. :-) I am new, have 4 kids, they eat healthily and do know McD's.
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Here, here! I don't know how to thank yet. :-) I am new, have 4 kids, they eat healthily and do know McD's.
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I am not going to be nice here, maybe some of you will not like it,

But come on!!!!

What is that to give junk food to a toddler? Are we the only one here who think it is not acceptable?

Two times this week in Gymboree I saw mothers feeding their toddlers with McDonald for snack! Fries! For a toddler??? 1-2-3 years of age?

I believe it is very important what kids eat today to help them being healthy tomorrow. You have to give them good habits and I believe they are way too young for junk food. They have the rest of their lives to eat it.

And to feed them IN Gymboree, a place full of toddlers.

My daughter was curious of the paper on the table and she went to see it. The mother wanted to give her fries wihout asking ME if it was ok. I stop her saying I didn't want my daughter eats that.

Am I crazy to not want my daughter to eat sugar, salt and junk food yet? I see so many mothers giving crappy food to their kids! Unbelievable!
I agree with you, if kids eat too much junk they develope a taste bud for ONLY junk and healthy food tastes too bland and or not sweet or salty enough for them. I definately don't think kids should be fed fast food too often but on the other hand I don't think it's necessary or realistic to obsessively ban all kinds of fast food ALL the time. Every now and then it's okay, or like on a busy day when you are out later than usual and the kids need to have something to eat and the only thing around is a McDonald's or something like that I can see. But I definately don't think kids should get into a habit of eating fast food every day.

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Guess I wouldn't be too worried about one or two French fries here and there. Healthy diet 98% of the time is enough to keep anyone healthy.

Or do you notice the same mothers doing this week after week?

(I agree though that she should have asked you first, before feeding anything to your child.)
I agree. As long as the rest of the kid's diet is like 98% healthy then fries every now and then is not problem.

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Again, I think a 1, 2 or 3 year old is too young for greasy, over salty or made from chemical stuff. If this is what you give as a snack, what is a dinner?
I totally agree! Fast food numbs the kid's taste buds to where anything less than fast food salty/greasy/sweet is too bland for them and they will only like processed foods that are equal to fast food in greasyness/saltyness/sweetness. Once they develope a taste for fast food or processed junk, good luck getting them to switch to healthy eating! An apple is soo bland and unsweet to them compared to some kind of sweet processed junk food.

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Exactly!

My best friend feed her daughter with a lot of junk food. She began to eat fries when she was 7-8 months. She will cries, beg and scream to get some since than!

All those fat kids are not fat because of their Thyroid gland...
OMG!!! When I was growing up we were only allowed fast food as a treat on the weekends and not every weekend at that! I can't imagine feeding a 7 month old McDonald's fries!

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In the U.K., I've seen toddler's, sitting in their strollers, every morning having their packet of potato crisps for breakfast.

I always wondered what they had for lunch?

It seems to be a lot healthier here - my oldest isn't allowed to take potato crisps to Kindergarten for Zuni (and we wouldn't have dreamed of letting him anyway).



What do people think when they do this?

The number of people* who came up to our baby this year and rammed a slab of nut chocolate into his mouth without asking and at a time when he hadn't even started even on solids)...

*Elderly ladies ("oh, but it was different in our day").
LOL! I wouldn't like anyone ramming something in my baby's mouth that I don't know what it is and especially without asking! LOL! Yeah older people did not grown up in a time where sickos did wierd stuff they are used to safer times. I remember how every halloween after trick or treating we were not allowed to eat anything in that bag or bucket that we got until my mom went through and checked them all for anything malicious some sicko might do! Then we would dive in!

Too many chips and stuff for kids and especially babies is wrong. For me and my siblings when we were kids getting candy was only on the weekend when we got our allowance and would go to the candy store to buy candy only on the weekend we did not eat candy and junk throughout the week like kids do today and that made weekends fun! Saturday morning cartoons, allowances and candy store! LOL! That was the life! After a hard week of going to school! Hhahah! We looked forward to that! How is candy and treats special for kids who get it all during the week and every day?

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And more salt than a toddler should eat in a week.
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If you think that the occasional fry is going to affect your child then you are off your rocker.

If you allow the occasional fry to turn into an addiction and that is all the child wants then you have made some mistakes in feeding.

Everything in moderation is fine. I bet you'd send your kid to a birthday party with carrot sticks wouldn't you?
I agree. I once babysat for a couple who were extremely obsessive about what their kids would eat and wanted them to have nothing that wasn't completely natural. That was taking it too far. Every now and then is okay but it is not good or realistic to completely never let them have McDonalds or anything, what that will do is make them binge on it as soon as they are old enough to buy the stuff themselves like at around 12 or 13yrs old because they will want to try what was too strictly forbidden of them but that they would see their friends eat. So everything in moderation with no extremes in either way. That also goes for those couples who try to raise their kids as vegetarians, that is not a healthy diet for kids. Kids need meat & protien.

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Well I was having lunch at the airport in Sicily and next to us was a German couple...they had given their 4 and 6 year olds...COCA COLA ZERO!!!!!! OK it has no sugar but still!!! I think only adults should drink it and even so.... Oh and they were eating a slice of pizza which is not really bad I guess.
My mom used to dilute any pop or sodas that we drank when we were little when we did drink any! I would cringe when I see little toddlers drinking full strength pop like coke or something like OMG!

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Not what I meant, so don't take my words out of context, thanks.

What I mean is that eating unhealthy foods when the person is young, has a higher risk of damaging the developing brain. It is well known that a brain reaches maturity once the human being reaches roughly 20 years of age. Anything you do prior to this can seriously stunt this development, things such as drinking alcohol (underage drinking) or eating food that do not have proper nutrients. This is most pronounced when the child is young as the brain is in full swing and trying to soak up information at a very rapid rate.

Therefore, the further along you push the chances of consuming unhealthy products, the smaller the chances of causing permanent damage to a "developing" body. If one wishes to eat fast food, do it once you're older than 20 years. If you can't wait until you're 20, then eat it earlier, but in any case, eating it at 12 is better than at 8, which is better than at 6, and so on...
Yes that is exactly true! Proper diet is very important which is why you see so many lathargic children in poor countries where they don't get the proper food or nutrician and also neglected and underfed/starved children anywhere.

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You give your child no salt at all? I'm pretty sure the right amount of Salt is essential for a healthy diet. I think 1g per day is recommended upto 1 year.
OMG! Yes! Children do need SOME salt. Everything in moderation no extremes in either way. You can't keep salt completely out of a kid's diet.

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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

I didn't read all the posts, but for the most part I agree with the OP. It's all in being balanced. Fries contain carcinagens(spelling sucks I know), just like cigarettes. It's a scientific fact. Just like BBQ'd steak. While I don't understand another parent trying to feed her child, I do understand she wants to start her kids off one thing at a time.
I was always being prescribed sugar based medicines with my kids from their first 2 weeks, I mean why? They didn't even know what sugar was. At the time. While one can view the OP as being harsh on her kids, maybe and not opening her kid's mind up to all the "fun" foods life has to offer, maybe she is experimenting with foods that have taste after the heated fat wares off. I mean, since birth I have given mine the smells of fresh herbs, quale, figs, foie gras, cookie dough, and so on. Life isn't just all about the marketing. I was annoyed personally that we were taking our kids to McDonald's until I realized they hated the food, but loved the jungle gym.
If you teach your kids what good food is, like anything, they will appreciate what is good, and understand what is crap, and take their own decisions. One can't just bar their kids from Micky D's, and not give them any other options. I personally don't like the burgers in europe as there isn't enough mandated fat content in them...so...no fat...no francs....

"OMG! Yes! Children do need SOME salt. Everything in moderation no extremes in either way. You can't keep salt completely out of a kid's diet. "
I have to respond to this. There is enough salt in almost anything one eats these days, to accomodate dietary health concerns. I doubt one has to start measuring tea spoons of salt daily to get their daily recommended dose.

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I was always being prescribed sugar based medicines with my kids from their first 2 weeks, I mean why? They didn't even know what sugar was. At the time.
Sugar is the only taste you don't need to acquire (unlike salty, sour, etc). A baby will take something sweet with little prompting. For instance, breast milk is naturally sweet.

Baby and children's medicines are probably sweet so they will take them without too much hassle.

The Vit D drops we had to give my son when he was a newborn were always mixed with a generous squirt of mother's best to aid its passage "down the hatch."

Otherwise, on their own the drops were horribly bitter and most of it ended up down his chin.
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Fries contain carcinagens(spelling sucks I know), just like cigarettes. It's a scientific fact.
Source please.
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Source please.
I wouldn't worry too much.
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I guess Confloozed is talking about Acrylamide: http://www.acrylamidefacts.org/sitec...crylamide.aspx

But there are plenty of other food carcinogens and other compounds that affect how we develop (and die) that are "natural", so to say it is just McD's chips is so...

e.g. burnt food: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f...ocyclic-amines

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http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...stract/16/1/39
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Bugger. That's my family done for, then...
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Fixed that. Has any adult tried taking kids medicine, e.g. calpol or something similar?

They are actually incredibly bitter and if not for the suger, you'd have major difficulty getting a child to take their medicine.

That said, it can go too far, our youngest (14 mo at the time) used to say "yum yum" everytime we got his antibiotic liquid medicine out the fridge before dosing... addict in the making?
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"Recently, a Dutch study suggested that acrylamide could increase the risk of ovarian and womb cancer. This was the first time that this connection had been observed, so it will need to be tested in other studies to see if the risk is real."..from the same source.

Now, that is enough, for most of the people I know to try to avoid the risks.

The danger of cancer with high temp treated starch has been worrying authorities back home for some time already. Things take longer here, I noticed. Bisphenols in kids bottles and cups are banned all over, it has been vagely noticed here this year only, or the end of the last one. When I asked for Bisphenol A free bottles two years ago here, all I got was bewildered look from the pharmacist.

Whole world is turning away from articificial colors, sweateners and most of all plastic in regards to baby food, toys, breast milk storing containers, anything that gets thrown into microwave or a dishwasher and heated. But I feel the news hasn't made it here yet, I just read a tiny comment here on this a few months back in a mag for parents. If I go to Migros there is a lovely range of products specifically (mini yoghurts, puddings and drinks) for babies, full of art sweetener and fake colors.

The concerns have been raised quite some time ago, not all the the studies have been conclusive, of course, or even finished. That does not mean the chemical products are considered safe. Anyone who I know who has kids always rather veers more to the "better be safe than sorry" side, since our kids will have a life time to load themselves with crap later on, why overpack their little immune system with work to do already now..The body's tolerance to chemicals in my opinion works like karma. It works seemingly ok for quite a while and then boom, surprise. And who is going to look at babybottles what once laden with BPA we shoved down their throat? Or ton of nasty fried fast food we gave to our tots when their system was the most vulnerable to harsh stuff? Asthma, cancer and other immunal troubles are not mystery diseases.
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The danger of cancer with high temp treated starch has been worrying authorities back home for some time already. Things take longer here, I noticed. Bisphenols in kids bottles and cups are banned all over, it has been vagely noticed here this year only, or the end of the last one. When I asked for Bisphenol A free bottles two years ago here, all I got was bewildered look from the pharmacist.
Ach! You should have posted to the forum - I got some from MacBaby in Zürich West in 2007. The make was Born Free or Baby Free or something.
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