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Carlos R 14.01.2010 17:25

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Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 669600)
I still think, though, that if I took my apparently well child along to the docs on, say, Wednesday, and asked for a sick note on the basis that he last threw up on the previous Friday, they would shoo me out of the door. I mean, we're talking about a virus that hangs around in an otherwise healthy-looking kid here, is that right?

Yes. Just because the worst of the infection is over, and the child is recovering, it doesn't mean that the infective agent is gone. Sadly Doctors are not scientists :rolleyes:. Sure a tummy bug isn't as bad as say, childhood leukaemia, but rotavirus is a killer. I say this as the father of our eldest who was hospitalised last year, aged 4, due to a GI bug. His 2.5 yrs old sister bounced back after 24-48 hrs (as "normal"). He was in hospital for just under a week. Luckily our youngest (11 months at the time) escaped with scrupulous use of sterilisers!

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Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 669600)
I agree it makes my flesh creep to hear parents airily complaining about how tired they are as little Johnny - who is now holding hands with MY child - was up at 4am throwing up, and sending kids with active fevers is just cruel to everyone.

Groan, groan, groan, groan, groan, groan, groan, groan, groan (on your behalf :mad:)

Sutter 14.01.2010 17:27

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I feel for you Nil from what i understand and from past experience the Swiss send there kids to KG, school when they are ill, mine have caught many a bug from them, and when my kids are ill i keep them at home with me (my son as been home all this week because he his not well). My Swiss husband always told me i had to send them even when they were ill, that when he was ill he had to go to school WTF:eek:.

I hope your child gets better soon and you can get some sleep.
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Originally Posted by Sada (Post 669584)
and the head lice. don't forget the head lice. seems to be pretty recurrent over here. :eek:

Don`t remind me my kids brought them home from school and KG arrrrrrrrrrrrgh the stress of trying to get rid of them, then you get rid of them and then they get them again:msnmad:.

A boy that went to KG with my son came to KG with all his hair shaved off because of them.



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Originally Posted by Chemmie (Post 669592)
Sounds like quite the inconvenience.

How do you guys feel about "Pox Parties". Sorta the opposite theme, but desirable results.

I have heard they do that here invite the kids that have not had chicken pox over to play with the kid that as chicken pox so that they can catch it, kind of a good idea if you ask me, i would prefare my kids to have C P as a child than when they are adults;)

NotAllThere 14.01.2010 17:35

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Originally Posted by Chemmie (Post 669592)
Sounds like quite the inconvenience.

How do you guys feel about "Pox Parties". Sorta the opposite theme, but desirable results.

Generally, I think not a good idea. Deliberately making your child sick... nah, doesn't wash with me.

Sutter 14.01.2010 17:40

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Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 669625)
Generally, I think not a good idea. Deliberately making your child sick... nah, doesn't wash with me.

Normally i would be 100% behind you on this and when i first heard of them i was shocked to hell, but after listening to why they make them (i never sent mine they caught it from School and KG) i think it is better to have the C P when your a child than an adult, it is more dangerous to have it as an adult;)

kodokan 14.01.2010 17:40

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Originally Posted by Carlos R (Post 669611)
Sure a tummy bug isn't as bad as say, childhood leukaemia, but rotavirus is a killer. I say this as the father of our eldest who was hospitalised last year, aged 4, due to a GI bug. His 2.5 yrs old sister bounced back after 24-48 hrs (as "normal"). He was in hospital for just under a week. Luckily our youngest (11 months at the time) escaped with scrupulous use of sterilisers!

Gosh, I can quite see why you take stomach bugs so seriously then, my kids have only ever had them as "normal" and often escape altogether as they're not 'sicky' kids generally. They sniff constantly from October to March, mind you!

kodokan

Carlos R 14.01.2010 17:47

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It was generally perceived medical wisdom that having chicken pox as a child is much better than as an adult, so if possible you should expose your child to the illness via parties.

As an adult the risk of CP is much greater, including infertility in men :msnshock:, so you'd want to stay away.

However, there are risks associated with CP in itself for children, specifically infection of the blisters that are part of the disease. Now that a vaccine is available, it is generally better to go for that option.

Good site: http://www.nnii.org/exposure_parties_detail.cfv?id=20

That said, there is a group of people who don't believe in vaccination or believe the risks of vaccination outweigh the risk of the disease... it's a matter of calculated risk, I guess.

All that being said, my main worry with a child getting CP would be their inability to control the itching, in turn leading to scratching and potentially permanent chicken pox scars. While I am not a vain person, I wouldn't want that for my child, so vaccine it is :)

kodokan 14.01.2010 17:49

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Originally Posted by Sutter (Post 669631)
Normally i would be 100% behind you on this and when i first heard of them i was shocked to hell, but after listening to why they make them (i never sent mine they caught it from School and KG) i think it is better to have the C P when your a child than an adult, it is more dangerous to have it as an adult;)

I tried twice to get my son to catch CP, on the basis of 'better a child than an adult' and 'otherwise it'll be when we're due to go on holiday/ Christmas/ first ever week of school' timing. Both times, having done the whole 'that's it, give little Sarah a cuddle, aww' thing, he escaped scot free, only to catch it a few weeks after we moved here aged 8, when no other child in his class had it (because it went round the class the year before). And then his sister came down the textbook 14 days later. Fortunately, they both had the sort of CP where they're more bored than ill, and it's crossed off the list now.

kodokan

Sutter 14.01.2010 17:56

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Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 669645)
I tried twice to get my son to catch CP, on the basis of 'better a child than an adult' and 'otherwise it'll be when we're due to go on holiday/ Christmas/ first ever week of school' timing. Both times, having done the whole 'that's it, give little Sarah a cuddle, aww' thing, he escaped scot free, only to catch it a few weeks after we moved here aged 8, when no other child in his class had it (because it went round the class the year before). And then his sister came down the textbook 14 days later. Fortunately, they both had the sort of CP where they're more bored than ill, and it's crossed off the list now.

kodokan

I know what you mean. My daughter caught it first and i was hoping my son would catch it from her no such luck my son caught it 8 months later.

You can buy a fantastic cream from the chemist ( forgot the name, but if anyone wants to know it i can find out for you) to put on the spots that stop them from scratching my kids do not have 1 scare;)

Tilia 14.01.2010 17:56

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It is actually good for the immune system to get many infections at an early age. Less allergies e.g..

And as others have said, no doctor will give a note for weeks and weeks on end for a simple cold. No fever - go to school. Stomach flu - 24 hours after last vomit. That's what I am use to from where my kids have gone to school and I have no problems with those "rules". One simply have to accept that from November to March the kids have a constant runny nose. What I have seen though is that they really seem to get less and less sick the older they get.

Guest 14.01.2010 18:09

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Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 669645)
I tried twice to get my son to catch CP, on the basis of 'better a child than an adult' and 'otherwise it'll be when we're due to go on holiday/ Christmas/ first ever week of school' timing. Both times, having done the whole 'that's it, give little Sarah a cuddle, aww' thing, he escaped scot free, only to catch it a few weeks after we moved here aged 8, when no other child in his class had it (because it went round the class the year before). And then his sister came down the textbook 14 days later. Fortunately, they both had the sort of CP where they're more bored than ill, and it's crossed off the list now.

kodokan

If you catch a mild version of CP, it can reoccur.. just so as you know.

My kids had it really bad, my son more so.. couldn't see his skin for spots, he couldn't walk properly as the spots on his legs hurt, lost weight as he ate so little and both had fever.. and my daughter was throwing-up too. My son will have 1 or 2 scars i think, inevitable as he had so many spots.. but at least it's over, and as they had it so bad, it will not reoccur.

kodokan 14.01.2010 18:30

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Originally Posted by Swisstree (Post 669657)
If you catch a mild version of CP, it can reoccur.. just so as you know.

Yes, I know it's one of those illnesses that you mostly only have once, but not definitely. Hopefully their pox was just bad enough - somewhere between 50-70 or so spots each, 'no' to fever for my son but 'yes' for my daughter. They were both marvellous about not scratching after I showed them some Google images of post-pox scars :D. And antihistamine syrup probably helped, they never complained of itching.

The stuff I got from the chemist, white calamine lotion, was a nightmare. I put a little on my son's spots the first day, and it crusted into the spots and looked horrific. Chucked the rest away, and used tea tree oil instead, which had the aesthetic benefit of being clear. They're both scar-free.

I would happily have got a vaccine - they've had all the other jabs, so why not - but it's not available in the UK and they succumbed too soon after arriving here for me to investigate whether you can get it here or not.

kodokan

NotAllThere 14.01.2010 18:40

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I'd never condemn anyone else doing it... but I still wouldn't do it.

kodokan 14.01.2010 18:54

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Quick veer wildly off-topic: NotAllThere, I love your crosswords. I managed about half of the Christmas one, and have the Jan one printed out ready to go. I'm normally rubbish at cryptic ones, but your explanations were really helpful, so I'm quietly confident that I might make 2/3 of the answers this time!

Anyhow, back to sick kids and thoughtless 'but my life's so impooooortant' parents...

kodokan

Guest 14.01.2010 19:14

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Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 669673)
Yes, I know it's one of those illnesses that you mostly only have once, but not definitely. Hopefully their pox was just bad enough - somewhere between 50-70 or so spots each, 'no' to fever for my son but 'yes' for my daughter. They were both marvellous about not scratching after I showed them some Google images of post-pox scars :D. And antihistamine syrup probably helped, they never complained of itching.

The stuff I got from the chemist, white calamine lotion, was a nightmare. I put a little on my son's spots the first day, and it crusted into the spots and looked horrific. Chucked the rest away, and used tea tree oil instead, which had the aesthetic benefit of being clear. They're both scar-free.

I would happily have got a vaccine - they've had all the other jabs, so why not - but it's not available in the UK and they succumbed too soon after arriving here for me to investigate whether you can get it here or not.

kodokan

Try telling a one and half year old not to scratch :msnnerd:

I also was given a cream, 30 CHF it cost and it was rubbish.. a search on this forum lead me to Tilia's tip of Rosewater and cornflour paste and it was brilliant.. rosewater is a natural antiseptic and so I put some in their bath water as well as bicarbonate of Soda. Hopefully he'll not scar, it remains to be seen - they'll be very small if he has any.

kodokan 14.01.2010 19:25

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Originally Posted by Swisstree (Post 669702)
Try telling a one and half year old not to scratch :msnnerd:

Oh, nightmare - mine were a sensible, logical 9 yr old and a very biddable 5 yr old, so no scratching. I suppose it was lucky in a way that my 9 yr old didn't catch it when he was 1 or 2, as he was much more uncooperative then.

kodokan

Nil 19.01.2010 10:29

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My daughter feels much better now, thank you!

But guess who is sick now? Moi! :msnmad:

Guest 19.01.2010 14:25

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Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 669625)
Generally, I think not a good idea. Deliberately making your child sick... nah, doesn't wash with me.

Deliberately making your child sick is a bit of an over statement but I recall when we sent our son to nursery when he was a wee fella we had a few bouts of colds, sniffles, full on vomity belly or runny bum sicknesses and other nasties for the first 6-8 months.

We had chicken pox coming home and then rota or noro virus (or both - I can't remember which now) and appropriate visits to the doctor.

His doctor just checked him over, shrugged and said "it's a necessary part of life, not pleasant for you and not pleasant for him but his immune system will benefit from it."

Now he is rarely ill and anything he does get he seems to shrug off really quickly.

Looking on the bright side, when he hits kindergarten at least he won't be bombarded with all sorts of bugs he's never encountered before.

Yes, his nursery has a policy whereby any kids who are obviously sick have to stay home but often these sicknesses are in the symptomless early stages but can just as effectively be passed onto others. There's nothing we can do about that short of giving each child a daily blood test as soon as they walk through the door and that would be just weird.

MusicChick 19.01.2010 15:03

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Eh, sick kids hanging in the playgroups + playgrounds.. I mostly feel really bad for that sick kiddo for not being in bed, tucked in and taken care of properly. But it irks me too that people would not think of others getting ill.

I had some acquitances visit us at the maternity ward with two bronchitis kids (and anti vax too), which made me quickly adjust to how some of the parents are. I just always made sure next time we saw them that they are not ill (do they have a fever or a tbc cough?), yes, it did pish off the mom, but that's what you get...:o Those kids were not taken care properly until they developed pneumonia, so I hope the mom now knows now better.

It just does not make sense to me, to not treat a benign little thing early enough and just wait till it develops into something bigger, subjecting your child to discomfort and other children to your germs, blech.

Haha, I even went to a playgroup before xmas, everybody was trying to meet up in that festive atmosphere, so I understand. But there was a mom with a face mask, saying how she is ill and does not want to infect anybody..How sensitive. Jeezumpetes. Stay home, chill, take an aspirin and vits, socialization of your child can wait. It makes me laugh, but feel bad for those who got ill over the holidays, no fun.

Guest 19.01.2010 15:27

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 673669)
Eh, sick kids hanging in the playgroups + playgrounds.. I mostly feel really bad for that sick kiddo for not being in bed, tucked in and taken care of properly. But it irks me too that people would not think of others getting ill.

I would also feel sorry for such a child and my son would definitely be at home taking it easy but how do you apply that when they are in the early stages of a bug and haven't developed symptoms at that time? They are merrily spreading it around their chums via dribble, sneezing and putting plastic toys in each others mouths but nobody looks sick.

Yet.

Best you can do is notice that they are a bit naughty or a bit loud or a bit quiet or a bit off their food or they don't like the red fire engine today or his horoscope looks a bit doubtful or perhaps there is no change to their norm whatsoever.

"But you SHOULD have kept him at home!!" they'll say with hands on hips and a disapproving look. :D

Carlos R 19.01.2010 15:49

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I would also feel sorry for such a child and my son would definitely be at home taking it easy but how do you apply that when they are in the early stages of a bug and haven't developed symptoms at that time? They are merrily spreading it around their chums via dribble, sneezing and putting plastic toys in each others mouths but nobody looks sick.

Yet.

Best you can do is notice that they are a bit naughty or a bit loud or a bit quiet or a bit off their food or they don't like the red fire engine today or his horoscope looks a bit doubtful or perhaps there is no change to their norm whatsoever.

"But you SHOULD have kept him at home!!" they'll say with hands on hips and a disapproving look. :D
The OP wasn't really about keeping children home before they are sick, but rather when they are sick.

I agree that you can't fault anyone for sending their children to school because they might be sick, but you sure as hell can when they are and at their most contageous stage (i.e. just after symptoms have blossomed). And I'm not talking about a runny nose or cold - they are part and parcel of first few years of kindergarten.


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