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MusicChick 19.01.2010 17:16

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I would also feel sorry for such a child and my son would definitely be at home taking it easy but how do you apply that when they are in the early stages of a bug and haven't developed symptoms at that time? They are merrily spreading it around their chums via dribble, sneezing and putting plastic toys in each others mouths but nobody looks sick.

Yet.

Best you can do is notice that they are a bit naughty or a bit loud or a bit quiet or a bit off their food or they don't like the red fire engine today or his horoscope looks a bit doubtful or perhaps there is no change to their norm whatsoever.

"But you SHOULD have kept him at home!!" they'll say with hands on hips and a disapproving look. :D
Oh yeah, I completely agree with you, most of the times when the child is just getting ill, you can't really tell.

But to notice your child has a fever is not so hard, there are children with fever or obvious chills and pains, red fever cheaks, etc. who get taken to playgroups or public play areas, which is totally wrong, imho.

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The OP wasn't really about keeping children home before they are sick, but rather when they are sick.

I agree that you can't fault anyone for sending their children to school because they might be sick, but you sure as hell can when they are and at their most contageous stage (i.e. just after symptoms have blossomed). And I'm not talking about a runny nose or cold - they are part and parcel of first few years of kindergarten.

Yes, this.

I even went to a birthday party we were invited (2wks before taking off to our first family vaccation we could afford) and when we got there, we were told the child has a high fever but nothing serious...:(

Turned out the kid had CP and he was very contageous. We didn't get sick but the nerves I had imagining getting flights of my parents cancelled, hotel cancelled, etc..Ugh. Plus they do treat CP differently back home, we have some ointments to keep scars aways, etc so my parents flew in armed with prescription medicine just "in case" because some kid's mom didn't want her boy to miss out on the party fun and she had the party with a misserable 2yr old crying the entire time with pain and fever..Poor little bug.

Btw, I wonder why my kid has been exposed to CP twice and hasn't caught it..I don't like the idea of CP parties but don't want her to catch CP later in life, either.

CH_Me 19.01.2010 17:58

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Btw, I wonder why my kid has been exposed to CP twice and hasn't caught it..I don't like the idea of CP parties but don't want her to catch CP later in life, either.

I've never had CP, neither has anyone on my side of the family. When all the kids at my son's kinderkrippe got it, he was sent home with a slight fever and we waited for the spots. He stayed away all week and no spots appeared at all. He re-joined his group with other kids with pussy sores that were *just* about drying up :mad:

My son's been exposed 4 times now with different groups of kids (ie been around other kids within 4 days of the CP spots appearing) and he hasn't got it yet.

I really get annoyed too when people forget to mention that they are sick when meeting up with you. I've had the same person do it twice to me now, and they admitted that they have been sick since we last met up, and has just seen the doctor and got a prescription for antibiotics. They greeted me with kisses and held my little baby before they mentioned it too.

Nil 19.01.2010 21:10

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I never had CP either!

Last year we attended a Birthday party and a kid was there with a swelling red eye with a bad green liquid come out of it. The parents told us they didn't know what it was, they went to the hospital and the doctors didn't know either.

They were pretty angry about it BUT they were saying it wasn't contagious...:rolleyes: How you know if you don't know???

We were upset about it because we thought it was very irresponsable from the parents to bring the kid with an non-identify eye infection to a kid's party... Dah!

Carlos R 19.01.2010 21:30

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I even went to a birthday party we were invited (2wks before taking off to our first family vaccation we could afford) and when we got there, we were told the child has a high fever but nothing serious...

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I really get annoyed too when people forget to mention that they are sick when meeting up with you. I've had the same person do it twice to me now, and they admitted that they have been sick since we last met up, and has just seen the doctor and got a prescription for antibiotics. They greeted me with kisses and held my little baby before they mentioned it too.

"*@&%!!! As we have three children all about 18 months apart, we tend to be careful about illness. It's not that we want to avoid it, it's just that it is hard work for my wife to look after three young sick children. Whenever one of ours is sick with something more than a cold we call potential play dates to let them know the situation and let them make the call if they want to have us/come round. Basic common courtesy, IMO.

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Btw, I wonder why my kid has been exposed to CP twice and hasn't caught it..I don't like the idea of CP parties but don't want her to catch CP later in life, either.

Maybe you are luck/unlucky (delete as you feel appropriate ;)). Just get the vaccine if unsure and put your mind at rest ;)

It was doing the rounds in Basel a couple of years or so back, a quick call to my mum revealed that I had never been exposed as a child :msnshock:, so made an even quicker call to the doctor to get vaccinated...

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Last year we attended a Birthday party and a kid was there with a swelling red eye with a bad green liquid come out of it. The parents told us they didn't know what it was, they went to the hospital and the doctors didn't know either.

Another case of "*@&%!!!

Sounds like simple conjunctivitis, which while not exactly life threatening is very uncomfortable for little children and highly contageous given children's hygiene standards...

Guest 19.01.2010 21:51

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Originally Posted by Carlos R (Post 674128)
Sounds like simple conjunctivitis, which while not exactly life threatening is very uncomfortable for little children and highly contageous given children's hygiene standards...

As a regular (and severely p*ssed off) sufferer of conjunctivitis I can tell you that not all conjunctivitis is contagious. It simply means an inflammation of the eye (well, the conjunctiva anyway). If it is caused by a bacterial or viral infection then, yes, it can be passed on but it can also be caused by over use of contact lenses (in adults, obviously) or some other trauma including a scratch, irritation, smack in the face, rogue eyelash, the list goes on...

I used to recoil whenever I saw someone with a leaky eye but having had regular visits to the ophthalmologist and got to know my leaky eye intimately I know it is most often not contagious. :)

the_clangers 19.01.2010 22:38

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and the head lice. don't forget the head lice. seems to be pretty recurrent over here. :eek:

Yeah, I live in an inner city urban environment in the US and have never seen lice until I came here. WTF, is it with the lice?

I think that way to many parents are just wankers. They don't care. Their children are just ancillary events in their lives. Why should they have to pay the price for having children? Duh! :mad:

Brian.

phdoofus 19.01.2010 23:08

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So I'm guessing there aren't a lot of parents these days like the Old School ones that would take their kids over to lay with The Chicken Pox Kid..... :D

Carlos R 19.01.2010 23:17

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As a regular (and severely p*ssed off) sufferer of conjunctivitis I can tell you that not all conjunctivitis is contagious. It simply means an inflammation of the eye (well, the conjunctiva anyway). If it is caused by a bacterial or viral infection then, yes, it can be passed on but it can also be caused by over use of contact lenses (in adults, obviously) or some other trauma including a scratch, irritation, smack in the face, rogue eyelash, the list goes on...

I used to recoil whenever I saw someone with a leaky eye but having had regular visits to the ophthalmologist and got to know my leaky eye intimately I know it is most often not contagious. :)
Contact lense use relatively rare in toddlers aged young children childen :D, but point taken. Ours usually get eye infections when they rub their noses (aka snot) across the face and rub their eyes :msnsick:... lo and behold a few days later an eye infection follows... luckily it doesn't happen too often...

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So I'm guessing there aren't a lot of parents these days like the Old School ones that would take their kids over to lay with The Chicken Pox Kid..... :D

Scroll further up :msngrin:

Carlos R 19.01.2010 23:19

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Yeah, I live in an inner city urban environment in the US and have never seen lice until I came here. WTF, is it with the lice?

I think that way to many parents are just wankers. They don't care. Their children are just ancillary events in their lives. Why should they have to pay the price for having children? Duh! :mad:

Brian.

Aarrghh! Did you have to bring that up again? My head's itching again. Was fine 'til I read your post :msncrazy:

Puhutes 20.01.2010 02:19

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well one positive thing to that... your kid will build up good immunity at a young age :)

the_clangers 20.01.2010 08:22

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Originally Posted by Carlos R (Post 674261)
Aarrghh! Did you have to bring that up again? My head's itching again. Was fine 'til I read your post :msncrazy:

Yeah, we had the fun of taking lice to the UK and then to Turkey. Always nice to visit family and have one of them ask if you (your daughter) have/has lice. :eek:

My poor little girl. The last time she had lice, she was a starving orphan and had to have her hair shaved off due to the aggressiveness of the infestation. Yuck! :msncrazy:
Brian.

Nil 11.04.2011 09:55

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Two weeks ago, I was at the doctor when the pre-school called me to tell me my daughter was vomitting. I went to pick her up as fast as I could.

I felt absolutely terrible to have her being sick there with other kids and have other people to take of her.... She was fine in the morning, running around in the house, she was cheerful, etc. It came out from nowhere and it was over the same day. I felt very guilty she has exposed other kids but it was no way that I could know...

Last week, I went to pick up my daughter and while I was putting her shoes on I realised the kid next to her had a very bad greenish running nose, very red eyes and he looked like he was in a very bad shape.... his mother, next to him was showing the exact same symptomes and looked as bad as her son.

Why the child was there? :confused: To get to that stage, you have plenty of symptomes and they are obvious. We don't talk here about a clear running nose that kids can have almost at anytime, no a green tick mucus one.

Who is sick now? My daughter. And who will be the next? me. Yep.... She has the exact same face that little boy and mom had and I saw it coming since saturday.

Sometimes kids are sick in a very unexpected way, that happen and tough luck for it. But when you see it, when you see the symptomes but still send your kids to daycare, playgroups, pre-school and school, it is very irresponsible indeed.

:mad:

Guest 11.04.2011 10:25

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Originally Posted by Nil (Post 1165385)

Last week, I went to pick up my daughter and while I was putting her shoes on I realised the kid next to her had a very bad greenish running nose, very red eyes and he looked like he was in a very bad shape.... his mother, next to him was showing the exact same symptomes and looked as bad as her son.

It's wrong that sick kids (to that extent) are still in their nursery primarily because the kid must be feeling like shite and would rather be tucked up on the sofa with a hot drink and CBeebies on the TV.

However, if that mum has the same kind of boss as I do, I can understand it. Yes, the law says you as the mum have every right to stay home with a sick child but she's probably been guilted into dragging herself into work by a boss who, on the outside is all sympathy and kind words but with an undertone of "Oh, are you all sick AGAIN?" You then measure up how sick you are both feeling and make a gamble that you can drop your child off at daycare; feeling guilty for your child, the other kids/staff in daycare and your work colleagues for spreading your germs.

Why do we do this to ourselves? :msnsad:

Vlh22 11.04.2011 11:07

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I don't know about here, but in the UK the other side of the problem is that childcare staff do not have the 'right' to be firm with parents about children who are / have been ill, especially re. vomiting.

I remember one time I had a child in my class whose mother rang in one day to say he was being sick. So I told her 'keep him off for 48 hours'. I was new in the school and that had been my last school's policy. I told the head teacher what I'd said, and he said 'Fine.'

The next morning, this mother and child turned up as usual. I told her (very politely) that he shouldn't be in school if he'd been vomiting the day before. Now, it just so happened that this child had severe behavioural difficulties. Mother went ape, saying that I was only saying this because I didn't want her son in my class and that I had to teach him etc... I tried to explain it was nothing to do with his behaviour but that he was infectious but she wouldn't have it... in the end someone went to get the head teacher... who backed her up and said that this child had to come to school, even though I'd checked the 48 hour 'ban' with him the day before!

What made me particularly cross was that a few months before I'd ended up being hospitalised and on a drip after catching a vomiting bug from my pupils (and of course getting it much worse than them)... and so was rather wary of stomach bugs - and the head teacher knew this!

In my view there should be legal requirements about how much time children have to have off after vomiting bugs and like illnesses - not only to protect the children but also the teachers, and working parents.

Guest 11.04.2011 11:12

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Originally Posted by Vlh22 (Post 1165471)
In my view there should be legal requirements about how much time children have to have off after vomiting bugs and like illnesses - not only to protect the children but also the teachers, and working parents.

It's a nice idea but then it would be argued that it would have to be extended to the working world and there ain't no way that would get passed as law - it's too open to interpretation.

I get sick after a dodgy curry and I get 48 hours off for a 12 hour non-infectious bug, same as my colleague who has just come down with winter vomiting virus?

Nil 11.04.2011 11:34

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My friend got so sick because of her daughter's daycare sick kids that she couldn't have her c-section. She had to wait to get better but being already heavily pregnant didn't allowed her much chance to get better and she lost all the help she had planned with the surgery since no one was available. She manage to get ''better" (:rolleyes:) and got hell lots of pain and difficulties to recover from the c-section. Not because of the surgery but because her body couldn't fight the bugs and heal in the same time.

An other friend of mine got her daughter in the hospital for 2 months because of a seasonal bug she caught at her daycare and became a pneumonia. Her Asthma didn't like it and she was send into the hospital under high supervision, heavy meds and machines.

If people were thinking more about the big picture and what a decision as simple as keeping your child home when sick can do on other people's life....

If you MUST go to work, you should be having a emergency babysitter's number to come over and take care of your child. It is not like the country is running out of the availability of babysitters.

Guest 11.04.2011 13:09

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At my eldest daughter's 8th birthday, one of her friends that came to the party arrived with a sick bag. Mother said she was too disappointed about being sick, so she had a bag just in case. And mother was a teacher. No need to say all the kids got the bug - and I had end of year exams for my Degree the next day. Not impressed.

Another problem is parents who let kids out before their chicken-pox blisters are properly healed. In a way I agree that catching the disease and getting it out of the way - but chicken-pox can be a very serious disease for fragile adults, those having cancer treatment, etc, where it can be a killer. :msnmad:

Nil 11.04.2011 13:25

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Another problem is parents who let kids out before their chicken-pox blisters are properly healed. In a way I agree that catching the disease and getting it out of the way - but chicken-pox can be a very serious disease for fragile adults, those having cancer treatment, etc, where it can be a killer. :msnmad:
You tell me... I never had it. :eek: And apparently I can't hold any vaccinations, they don't work!

Guest 11.04.2011 13:31

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Sorry, don't understand why vaccinations wouldn't work with you? Obviously you can't have the vaccination whilst you are pregnant.

Nil 11.04.2011 13:39

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Sorry, don't understand why vaccinations wouldn't work with you? Obviously you can't have the vaccination whilst you are pregnant.
Me either. After the birth of mini-nil, they gave me the shot in the hospital. When they did the check up at my first appointment with my doctor for this pregnancy (2 years later) I was still not immune.

The doctor told me she has a patient who is at her 11th kids (:eek: not kidding) who got the shot every single time and still isn't immune.


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