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Re: Sick kids in playgroups

Maybe your child has a weak immune system. I take my kids to the gym,Kita and Kindergarten plus to the playroom where I work myself and my 2,5 and 6,5 are hardly ever sick.

I have friends who give homeopathy, or Royal honey as a cure in winter for instance to prevent them from getting sick.
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Maybe your child has a weak immune system. I take my kids to the gym,Kita and Kindergarten plus to the playroom where I work myself and my 2,5 and 6,5 are hardly ever sick.

I have friends who give homeopathy, or Royal honey as a cure in winter for instance to prevent them from getting sick.
Even if my child could have a weak immune system, it wouldn't excuse parents not taking their responsabilities when their kids are sick and the exposition they put other kids into.
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It's a nice idea but then it would be argued that it would have to be extended to the working world and there ain't no way that would get passed as law - it's too open to interpretation.

I get sick after a dodgy curry and I get 48 hours off for a 12 hour non-infectious bug, same as my colleague who has just come down with winter vomiting virus?
I think the difference is that as adults we are able to gauge our own illness and the likelihood of passing it on to our colleagues, as well as judging whether we will be able to do our job properly.

Whereas the problem with children is that they can't do that - the decision is left up to their parents and sadly some parents put their own interests above the health of the child (and incidentally the well-being of the child's friends and teachers), and send their child into childcare in an unfit / infectious state.
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I think the difference is that as adults we are able to gauge our own illness and the likelihood of passing it on to our colleagues, as well as judging whether we will be able to do our job properly.

Whereas the problem with children is that they can't do that - the decision is left up to their parents and sadly some parents put their own interests above the health of the child (and incidentally the well-being of the child's friends and teachers), and send their child into childcare in an unfit / infectious state.
..... while the child carer has to take care of a certain amount of kids already and can't give his whole attention on only one poor miserable sick child sitting in that corner because he can't stand and play around like the other kids.

Instead to be at home with his favorite toy, some comfort food, his favorite movie and a warm bed to help him get better, faster.
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I think the difference is that as adults we are able to gauge our own illness and the likelihood of passing it on to our colleagues, as well as judging whether we will be able to do our job properly.

Whereas the problem with children is that they can't do that - the decision is left up to their parents and sadly some parents put their own interests above the health of the child (and incidentally the well-being of the child's friends and teachers), and send their child into childcare in an unfit / infectious state.
Yes, but even adults have varying opinions on how sick they are. I work with people who come into work absolutely streaming with the snottiest cold and we have others who have the slightest sniffle and they are gone for three days.

As for the comment about parents "putting their own interests above the health of their child". I don't know anyone who does this and it is a pretty unfair statement. As I said before, the law protects parents who need to stay home with a sick child but some employers are total sh*tbags and pile on the pressure that you are in work at all costs.
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Old 11.04.2011, 17:33
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I don't know anyone who does this and it is a pretty unfair statement.
See my previous post. I have had parents who do not work, who have sent their child into school when ill because they preferred for the child to be in school than to be at home.

I once had a parent who worked in childcare complain that we had rung her up because her son had vomited. I said to her 'But surely you have to contact the parents of your charges when they are sick?' and she said yes, she did, but that in this case it was inconvenient for her so could we please just keep him in school next time?

I'm not saying all parents do this, and I do accept it is hard for working parents... but that doesn't excuse sending a sick child into school.

However, I have also had parents who have been very good about their children being ill. My favourite example was when I was training. A mother sent her son in with a note:

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Re: Sick kids in playgroups

If I took sick leave every time my daughter was sick I wouldn't have a job.

There is a lot of pressure from my less than sympathetic company here in Switzerland to be at work. There is no sympathy with being a mother, at all.

If I worked in France where there is more job security, I would take time off when she is sick. But as a single mother in Switzerland, I am afraid too.
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I have huge sympathy for this. It is no better in the UK I can assure you. However, when I worked and had young kids myself, we as a couple organised an emergency network for such cases, so we would have to take the absolute minimum of time off. One of us stayed at home in the acute phase, then the emergency network kicked in. My daughter + OH who have 2 young children also have this in place + me ready to jump on the next flight if necessary. We felt it was OUR responsibility to organise this, even if it affected my salary greatly - so as not to put upon colleagues, etc.
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Re: Sick kids in playgroups

Odile you have it right. Yes, it is a very difficult situation for working parents since too offen the pressure from work is high. But it is the parents responsability to have a network for those time of emergency when you have no other option than going to work.

It is completely unfair for your kids to have to be in a daycare or alike when they are not feeling good. An adult who is sick and feel like shit and goes to work. The adult takes the decision to do so, not the child. And we all know how important it is to rest and sleep when you are sick. It is 10 times more for kids.

It it unfair for other kids to become sick because you believe your job force you to be there no matter what. You as a parent, is responsable for the other kids to be sick too but you also put other kids and parents at risks of something worst. And you force other parents to miss work because their kids are sick and they know it is the right thing to do.

Of course some situations make it difficult to stay home and not go to work. Of course your boss can make it very difficult to you. But since you know it, you organise yourself for those days when shit happen and you have to go to work and your child is sick. Family, friends, network, Red Cross, Spitex and babysitters are all options available to help in case of emergencies.
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Old 11.04.2011, 19:39
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..... while the child carer has to take care of a certain amount of kids already and can't give his whole attention on only one poor miserable sick child sitting in that corner because he can't stand and play around like the other kids.

Instead to be at home with his favorite toy, some comfort food, his favorite movie and a warm bed to help him get better, faster.

why don't they just sent the kids home or refuse them at the entrance. If parents can send their sick child to a child care , it's also the responsibility of the carers who accept the kids to do something.
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Old 11.04.2011, 19:43
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Re: Sick kids in playgroups

I have pressure from my own kid who would rather go to kindergarten even sick because she just loves it so much..luckily it's very rare.

I send my kids to nursery since a very young age so I expect that they can catch something and get ill from other kids. that's life.
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why don't they just sent the kids home or refuse them at the entrance. If parents can send their sick child to a child care , it's also the responsibility of the carers who accept the kids to do something.
I agree. But sometimes it is difficult to tell if the parents doesn't say anything and leave right away. Sometimes the kid just get worst when the time passed and also, sometimes some parents are enough sneaky to get the kid in and run away.

When the carer tries to call, no ones pick up the phone, etc..

When my daughter was sick, the carer called me right away. I was so happy about it because I believe it is the right thing to do. But what do you do when the parent doesn't answer you and comes at the said time to pick up the child? What a carer can do?

It is the parent's responsability, the parent is the one who knows in which state the child is in the morning. And when going to drop the child, it is to the carer to see the signs if possible. He can refuse the child to come in if he can see the state of the child, if not and he realised it after, he'll take the responsability to call back the parent. As long as the parents take the call...
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Re: Sick kids in playgroups

Nil is sooooo right.
I used to feel very upset because I would care for my little one, get him through what ever childhood sickness was bugging him, nurse him to health and then, when he was better, I'd take him to crèche.... where some totally irresponsible parent had brought their sick child !
(I was and am a working mother).
It's downright unfair.
I'm not proud to say that, one time, I actually was very over-tired from work and staying up nights with a sick little one, that I gave one of those care-free mothers with a sick kid at the daycare, a real piece of my mind. , I proceeded to tell the directrice of the establishment what I thought too just for good measure.

Nil, do stay far away from sick people untril you've had your baby.
It's not worth putting up even with a cold when you're going to have an operation.
Why not skip crèche until later ?
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I'm with you 100% on this one!

It infuriates me when people knowingly take sick children to school. Sure there will be a period of time when nobody knows the child is sick/contageous, but when you know you should take the time off and look after the kid before sending it back to school/kindergarten/nursery/day care (whatever).

I remember some doofus writing on a similar discussion thread (not EF) saying that after 24 hrs of a vomitting bug, the child was no longer contageous so it was fine to dose them up with Algifor and send them to school - FFS those bugs persist for at least a week before you can be given the all clear!
i'm 200% with you on this one. why the f--- do parents even take their kids out of the house and impose them on other people?

keep them indoors and quiet!

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Nil is sooooo right.
I used to feel very upset because I would care for my little one, get him through what ever childhood sickness was bugging him, nurse him to health and then, when he was better, I'd take him to crèche.... where some totally irresponsible parent had brought their sick child !
(I was and am a working mother).
It's downright unfair.
I'm not proud to say that, one time, I actually was very over-tired from work and staying up nights with a sick little one, that I gave one of those care-free mothers with a sick kid at the daycare, a real piece of my mind. , I proceeded to tell the directrice of the establishment what I thought too just for good measure.

Nil, do stay far away from sick people untril you've had your baby.
It's not worth putting up even with a cold when you're going to have an operation.
Why not skip crèche until later ?
We have been up all night because the poor little girl has been couching so bad that she couldn't sleep at all. The sirup that usually works wonderfully didn't do much. She had also lots of fever and still have it. She has now a very sore throat and of course cry even more....

No need to had that I feel like caca this morning...

I don't think she is going to spend much time there this week anyway. I counted on it for her to be able to go because I am so exausted right now that I can't run after her and entertain her much. So when she goes there, she has fun, see all her friends and spends load of energy for a good afternoon nap, when I can nap too (to catch up for the sleepless nights!)

I wouldn't dare to put it on the directrice. Not in our daycare anyway. She is very very careful about it. She can't see everything all the time and it can happen that a kid is in there when not feeling good. It doesn't take long, few minutes only and the damage is done.
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I agree. But sometimes it is difficult to tell if the parents doesn't say anything and leave right away. Sometimes the kid just get worst when the time passed and also, sometimes some parents are enough sneaky to get the kid in and run away.

When the carer tries to call, no ones pick up the phone, etc..

When my daughter was sick, the carer called me right away. I was so happy about it because I believe it is the right thing to do. But what do you do when the parent doesn't answer you and comes at the said time to pick up the child? What a carer can do?

It is the parent's responsability, the parent is the one who knows in which state the child is in the morning. And when going to drop the child, it is to the carer to see the signs if possible. He can refuse the child to come in if he can see the state of the child, if not and he realised it after, he'll take the responsability to call back the parent. As long as the parents take the call...
Our Kinderkrippe & Kindergarten has rules that we sign to upon joining.

1. no taking kids with fever
2. no suppressing fever with medicine and then sending them in
3. pick up within the hour for sick kids (a little longer if you work up in Zurich I would guess). I collect within around 30 mins. Vomiting once is an instant call to collect them.

If you send a sick kid in, you are guaranteed to get a call to come and collect them. Easier to work from home/call in sick. The ask you how your kid is today upon drop off too.
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Our Kinderkrippe & Kindergarten has rules that we sign to upon joining.

1. no taking kids with fever
2. no suppressing fever with medicine and then sending them in
3. pick up within the hour for sick kids (a little longer if you work up in Zurich I would guess). I collect within around 30 mins. Vomiting once is an instant call to collect them.

If you send a sick kid in, you are guaranteed to get a call to come and collect them. Easier to work from home/call in sick. The ask you how your kid is today upon drop off too.
Sound like a good policy. But a kid can be really sick and contagious without having fever...
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