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Nil 14.01.2010 16:03

Sick kids in playgroups
 
Hi All,

I have a bit of rant here.

I am totally exausted because my daughter has been sick since 3 days with fever, caughing and vomiting. She refuses to eat, has low patience and is difficult to handle. Poor baby, she doesn't sleep at night so we don't. I feel like a zombie...

I understand how it can be very challenging for parents who works to have to deal with a sick kid. It can be very difficult to have to find a babysitter, nanny or a family member to take care of the kid while they are at work.

In a playgroup, where the parent IS with the kid, why do they bring their kid to the playgroup if the poor thing is sick? After, we are a bunch of parents suffering for having our kid sick as well and if WE get sick too, it means day off from work, doctor appointement, etc.

I gave up going to the gym for that exact and only same reason! I was going with my daughter, leave her with the lovely lady at the gym's kindergarten and everytime, my baby will be sick and I'll miss a week or 2 of training because she was sick/contagious/weak.... It was not worthed!

Why a mom will bring her sick kid to the gym?

Anyway, rant over. I am just annoyed when parents bring their (obviously) sick kid to a place full of other kids...

Nil

Jekyll 14.01.2010 16:12

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I have a similar problem. Why do parents take their sick children to McDonalds and Burger King. I can't take my child there for 6 chicken nuggets, a small fries and a vanilla milkshake without him picking up some cough or cold. Something should be done!
:)

Cheers

Jekyll

Carlos R 14.01.2010 16:12

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I'm with you 100% on this one!

It infuriates me when people knowingly take sick children to school. Sure there will be a period of time when nobody knows the child is sick/contageous, but when you know you should take the time off and look after the kid before sending it back to school/kindergarten/nursery/day care (whatever).

I remember some doofus writing on a similar discussion thread (not EF) saying that after 24 hrs of a vomitting bug, the child was no longer contageous so it was fine to dose them up with Algifor and send them to school - FFS those bugs persist for at least a week before you can be given the all clear! :mad:

Uncle Max 14.01.2010 16:16

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Kindergartens generally require the child to be fever free for 24 hours. Perhaps this policy could be inquired about at your gym.

Nil 14.01.2010 16:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jekyll (Post 669498)
I have a similar problem. Why do parents take their sick children to McDonalds and Burger King. I can't take my child there for 6 chicken nuggets, a small fries and a vanilla milkshake without him picking up some cough or cold. Something should be done!
:)

Cheers

Jekyll

I'm sorry Jekyll, I'll probably laugh at it in an other time, but right now, seeing my baby like that, I don't find it funny at all... :(

Like I said, I am very tired...

Guest 14.01.2010 16:24

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Ha! Just wait until your kid goes to school and brings home everything that's going.. and when you have play dates at your house and parents drops little Tommy or Lucy off at your door with a full-blown flu. Happened to me a week before Christmas and then my 2 went down with just it in time for the Christmas day.. then they got chicken pox after Christmas Day for New Year's.. tales of woe I tell ya :D

it's life tho', and with kids, you get the all the bugs and flus going. I haven't let my Son go back to school until this week even though he could have gone back earlier. I don't want him to infect any other kid and I want his immune system fully functional before he hits the rest of the virus-carrying-sick kids that have been sent to School regardless.

Nil 14.01.2010 16:29

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Originally Posted by Uncle Max (Post 669503)
Kindergartens generally require the child to be fever free for 24 hours. Perhaps this policy could be inquired about at your gym.

I'll never know, I left that gym months ago.

My daughter is missing her time in the playgroup because a mother brang her sick child.

Without symptomes, of course it is difficult to know when your kid will be sick, but at the moment you see them, you should avoid contact.

In my opinion, 24 hours is not enough. Let say you are not contagious after 24 hours, you still sneeze, cough, have a running nose. As a parent, when you see that, it is stressful because you don't know if the kid is still contagious or not.

Carlos R 14.01.2010 16:31

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Originally Posted by Swisstree (Post 669520)
Ha! Just wait until your kid goes to school and brings home everything that's going.. and when you have play dates at your house and parents drops little Tommy or Lucy off at your door with a full-blown flu. Happened to me a week before Christmas and then my 2 went down with just it in time for the Christmas day.. then they got chicken pox after Christmas Day for New Year's.. tales of woe I tell ya :D

it's life tho', and with kids, you get the all the bugs and flus going. I haven't let my Son go back to school until this week even though he could have gone back earlier. I don't want him to infect any other kid and I want his immune system fully functional before he hits the rest of the virus-carrying-sick kids that have been sent to School regardless.

We weren't far off your story. We even rang the Kinderspital on Christmas eve to seek advice as his fever peaked at over 40 while on Dafalgan.

At least you kept your child home though.

I don't have too much of an issue with colds, I agree that's life especially with young children/toddlers, it is the fever/flu and vomiting bugs that get me :msnmad: as they are really disruptive and unpleasant for all.

Nil 14.01.2010 16:31

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Originally Posted by Swisstree (Post 669520)
(...) I don't want him to infect any other kid (...).

I wish all parents will think like you!

kodokan 14.01.2010 16:41

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Originally Posted by Carlos R (Post 669499)
I remember some doofus writing on a similar discussion thread (not EF) saying that after 24 hrs of a vomitting bug, the child was no longer contageous so it was fine to dose them up with Algifor and send them to school - FFS those bugs persist for at least a week before you can be given the all clear! :mad:

I'm not certain what the protocol is here, but certainly in the UK schools my son attended the requirement was to wait at least 24 hours after the last vomiting bout, ie, 24 clear hours before returning. I assume that also presupposes they're eating again fairly normal, so the poor kid has enough energy to get through the day.

But you really can't keep them off for a week for a tummy bug. Anything over a week's absence here requires a doctor's note, and I can't imagine you'd get any doctor to sign that off.

kodokan

Edit: forgot to add, hope Nil's daughter feels better soon. Vomiting bugs with toddlers are just awful.

Carlos R 14.01.2010 16:51

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Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 669549)
But you really can't keep them off for a week for a tummy bug. Anything over a week's absence here requires a doctor's note, and I can't imagine you'd get any doctor to sign that off.

Sure, I can take that point, but:

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDC
People infected with norovirus are contagious from the moment they begin feeling ill to at least 3 days after recovery. Some people may be contagious for as long as 2 weeks after recovery.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrGreene.com
Most children develop symptoms [of rotavirus] within 48 hours of swallowing the virus. Symptoms are usually over within 9 days, and sometimes sooner. High concentrations of virus remain in the stool for 10 to 12 days after the symptoms begin in otherwise healthy children.

24 hrs is clearly not enough!

Treverus 14.01.2010 16:54

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Originally Posted by kodokan (Post 669549)
But you really can't keep them off for a week for a tummy bug. Anything over a week's absence here requires a doctor's note, and I can't imagine you'd get any doctor to sign that off.

When I was a kid the doctor never said "You need to vomit faster if you want to stay at home...". Seriously, I am pretty sure he will recognize if a kid is ill or not and in doubt rather keept them out of school for a day longer.

Carlos R 14.01.2010 16:55

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 669566)
When I was a kid the doctor never said "You need to vomit faster if you want to stay at home...". Seriously, I am pretty sure he will recognize if a kid is ill or not and in doubt rather keept them out of school for a day longer.

LOL

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NotAllThere 14.01.2010 17:01

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Of course, it's a complete b*gger when the disease is infectious but doesn't show symptoms for a couple of days afterwards.

If a child is sick, they shouldn't be at playgroup/school etc. If they're infections, they shouldn't be at playgroup etc. To address this issue, my wife has, selflessly, for the last 18 years, foregone a career, and as a family we've foregone the extra income, so that we don't infect other people's kids in this way.

As a freelancer, I've a similar issue with permies who drag themselves in when they're ill, infecting me, who doesn't get sick pay...

Sada 14.01.2010 17:09

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Originally Posted by Swisstree (Post 669520)

it's life tho', and with kids, you get the all the bugs and flus going.

and the head lice. don't forget the head lice. seems to be pretty recurrent over here. :eek:

Carlos R 14.01.2010 17:12

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Originally Posted by Sada (Post 669584)
and the head lice. don't forget the head lice. seems to be pretty recurrent over here. :eek:

Why is it that the meer mention or reading of the word head lice makes one's scalp itch. I swear it was fine until I read your post :msnsarcastic::msnshock::msncrazy:

Chemmie 14.01.2010 17:13

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Sounds like quite the inconvenience.

How do you guys feel about "Pox Parties". Sorta the opposite theme, but desirable results.

Sada 14.01.2010 17:15

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Originally Posted by Carlos R (Post 669589)
Why is it that the meer mention or reading of the word head lice makes one's scalp itch. I swear it was fine until I read your post :msnsarcastic::msnshock::msncrazy:

You have no idea in what state I'm in myself. Just aweful !!! :p

kodokan 14.01.2010 17:17

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Thanks, I didn't realise the tummy viruses would hang around so long, useful to know.

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 669566)
Seriously, I am pretty sure he will recognize if a kid is ill or not and in doubt rather keept them out of school for a day longer.

I still think, though, that if I took my apparently well child along to the docs on, say, Wednesday, and asked for a sick note on the basis that he last threw up on the previous Friday, they would shoo me out of the door. I mean, we're talking about a virus that hangs around in an otherwise healthy-looking kid here, is that right?

I agree it makes my flesh creep to hear parents airily complaining about how tired they are as little Johnny - who is now holding hands with MY child - was up at 4am throwing up, and sending kids with active fevers is just cruel to everyone. But otherwise I think it's just one of those parenting things you have to put up with, whilst shovelling down multivits and crossing your fingers a lot.

(Got SO caught out by the doctor's note thing when my son took a week off with chicken pox - I didn't realise I'd have to do anything other than just scribble a note myself, so merrily waved him off to school only to receive a stroppy teacher note back. This was just a few weeks after we moved out here, so that was a retrospective doctor's note was an interesting challenge to pull off in my pitiful French.)

kodokan

goodhill 14.01.2010 17:23

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As I have heard

'well, the kid could get a virus anywhere...'

Hmmm...

I think it's more the 'it's more convenient for me to have the kid in care that I could carry on the day as planned'....arrghhh....


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