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English school vs German school for 11year old

My 11 year old daughter is currently in an IB schooling system. She just started her first year in January and we will be moving by end of March.

Currently we are debating whether to continue with the IB or move her into the local schooling system. On the one hand we feel she is young enough to be able to learn the language and intergrate - on the other hand I am a bit concerned that she might not cope at all with such a big jump.

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Old 16.02.2010, 19:23
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Re: English school vs German school for 11year old

If you want my personal opinion, I would keep her in the IB school. She is exactly at the age where the Swiss children are selected out as to which school system they will continue into.

Being weak in German almost always means that the child ends up in the apprenticeship track. This track may be fine in Switzerland but if you want to move abroad later on, it is pretty worthless.

So personally I would never put a child between the age of 10-14 in the Swiss schoolsystem coming from abroad.
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If you want my personal opinion, I would keep her in the IB school. She is exactly at the age where the Swiss children are selected out as to which school system they will continue into.

Being weak in German almost always means that the child ends up in the apprenticeship track.
This track may be fine in Switzerland but if you want to move abroad later on, it is pretty worthless.

So personally I would never put a child between the age of 10-14 in the Swiss schoolsystem coming from abroad.
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If you've decided or intend to settle here it may be a different story. Then intensive German tutoring and repeating a year with an eye on Grammar or Sek A is the ticket.

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Re: English school vs German school for 11year old

For us the decision was to do with university - we just couldn't imagine our daughter surviving the transition to high school and being able to build the academic level of German for tertiary studies at the end of it all - so we felt more comfortable putting her into a bilingual school.

IB is a good option, if you can maintain the standard...
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IB is a good option, if you can maintain the standard...
Do you mean academically or financially? The latter is more difficult than the first. IB is not easy but no need to be a genious. Average will do.
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My 11 year old daughter is currently in an IB schooling system. She just started her first year in January and we will be moving by end of March.

Currently we are debating whether to continue with the IB or move her into the local schooling system. On the one hand we feel she is young enough to be able to learn the language and intergrate - on the other hand I am a bit concerned that she might not cope at all with such a big jump.

Any help will be much appreciated.
Is this a permanent move or temporary? Which Kanton will you be moving to?
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Being weak in German almost always means that the child ends up in the apprenticeship track. This track may be fine in Switzerland but if you want to move abroad later on, it is pretty worthless.

So personally I would never put a child between the age of 10-14 in the Swiss schoolsystem coming from abroad.
I can give you many examples of children who came to Switzerland between the ages of 10 and 14 who have fared very well in the local school system (in Kanton Aargau). You have to choose where to live very carefully as not all schools/communities can provide the appropriate level of German tuition in German as a foreign language. I've done the research for many clients. Most of my clients are not in a position to pay for international school and many are here on a long term basis and they need local options.

Until quite recently there was no option for international school in the Baden area, yet employers like Alstom and ABB brought employees from all over the world. The local school system had to respond to the needs of these children.

The apprenticeship track is not a dead end. It's just different to what takes place in other countries. Not all children are destined to attend university. At least here they don't have to be drop outs as the system allows for children to follow different paths.

IB is a good option if you are uncertain how long you will stay here and if you are sure you want your child to attend university elsewhere.
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Re: English school vs German school for 11year old

Hi there,

we moved to Switzerland from Australia in October 2008 with our children (all *way* above average students), at the time aged 10, 12 and 14, having attended Year 4, 7 (IB MYP) and 10 respectively in Australia. As we are German and speak the language at home, the children are bilingual and we did not foresee any problems with the integration into the school system here in Kanton Zurich.

Our son, aged 10, was put into year level 5, as the class was relatively small and there were two teachers sharing the job. After only six weeks our son (Year 5), who in Australia loved going to school, started to play sick and did not want to leave the house in the mornings. After school one day, I saw several children chasing him and when he fell, one of the kids started jumping on him ... I then understood his reluctance and IMMEDIATELY removed him from the school and ... very reluctantly ... sent him back to Australia, where he still is ... living with his Grandmother.

Our daughter, aged 12, went into year level 8 and coped very well, except for French, because she was years behind (they start in Year 5 here and she had only had French in Year 7 ... so only about 8 months). As she was not able to pass the test for the Kantonsschule due to French, we have now decided to send her to a public school in England, where she will be boarding from next week. This school also offers the IB Diploma programme.

We had great problems with our eldest daughter, who had already - just about - completed Year 10. Due to her age (only 14 at the time), she should have attended Year 9 ... but the local school did not want to take her ... because she had already attended Year 10. The Kantonsschule was not an option, because her French and German levels were not good enough to ensure that she passed the necessary tests. The people at the Education Ministerium told me to find an apprenticeship for her ... a highly talented child, who received an academic scholarship in Year 9 (for Years 10 to 12) at her school in Australia ... who will be turning 16 next week ... who is now in Year 12 ... in Australia again ... did a higher study in German last year and achieved a study score of 45, which put her into the top 12 German students in Victoria in 2009 ... and just two weeks ago received a further award (one term tuition fees) for academic achievement!

All in all, I must say that the Swiss school system failed to provide the necessary environment for all three ... HIGH ACHIEVING ... children, who even speak the language!!! I am not sure, how other children can adapt to this system ... The environment is inhumane: school starts at 7:30am for some and bullying is NORMAL! We live directly across from the primary school and every day I see one or the other kid being bullied ... and no teacher in sight to look out for the children!

Well that is just my take (and rave) on the school system here in Switzerland ...
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Re: English school vs German school for 11year old

Wow, reality schock I must admit. Thank you all for your opinions, I really appreciate it.

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Is this a permanent move or temporary? Which Kanton will you be moving to?
We move to Kanton Bern for a period of 3-5 years and the reality is that my kids can not speak German at all. They have place in Bern International School already and moving from one IB school to another helps a lot ito curricullum expectations etc. In that sense we know what we are in for - price wise - zzzzzzzz that is another horror story.

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... very reluctantly ... sent him back to Australia, where he still is ... living with his Grandmother.

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I take my hat off for you, this must have been very, very difficult. I must admit I do not want to go that route. What I also appreciate from you is the fact to what extend you went to ensure that your kids keep on being high achievers. Really appreciate your mail.
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Re: English school vs German school for 11year old

thank you - really appreciate this short and powerful post
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We move to Kanton Bern for a period of 3-5 years and the reality is that my kids can not speak German at all. They have place in Bern International School already and moving from one IB school to another helps a lot ito curricullum expectations etc. In that sense we know what we are in for - price wise - zzzzzzzz that is another horror story.

Although I do not have any children, I grew up a military brat... as someone who spent her childhood and teen years moving around a lot, I'll offer advice from that perspective.

If you are going to be moving in and out of places, the adjustment for the kids to the new environment (both academically and socially) will go better if they are enrolled at a school where both the faculty and the other students are accustomed to "transient" students.

Generally in schools where there are frequently kids who are moving in and then moving on, there is some familiarity among the staff with handling the sorts of issues that such children and their families will have. They tend to be better equipped to handle situations where the course schedules don't quite match up as well as the counseling issues that may arise.

Meanwhile, entering into a school system where the kids tend to live their whole lives, there is a lot more rigidity regarding classes taken and classes necessary for graduation. I stayed behind (in Hawaii) for a semester my senior year (12th grade, 17 / 18 yrs old) because the area where my family was moving (Chicago area) was going to require me to attend another full year of classes because the credits I had did not meet the graduation requirements of the new school... even though I had less than 2 months to graduation at the time of the move.


On top of this, when attending International schools, most of the other kids are also moving in and on within a few years time so there is less social stigma placed upon each student when they arrive new. It is easier for the children to adapt to a new peer group (and they in return), making it a lot easier for the kids to fit in a bit more quickly. When the kids are young it isn't such a huge thing but as they start entering puberty and teens, it becomes much more difficult to form friendships when the rest of the group has never lived anywhere else in their life.
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Re: English school vs German school for 11year old

Thank you PegA. I agree, they are third culture kids and it is the best place to keep them, amongst other third culture kids. After this discussion we have made up our mind to keep the children in an international school on the curricullum familiar to them.

Just one more thing....As a newbie I have this blond moment.... where on earth do I go to post a thank you I have been all over the show and don't know how to post a thank you - can anyone just direct this newbie for a moment
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As a newbie I have this blond moment.... where on earth do I go to post a thank you I have been all over the show and don't know how to post a thank you - can anyone just direct this newbie for a moment [/QUOTE]

Just under where your post appears is a little sign saying 'thanks', you click on that. I hope that's what you mean!
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We move to Kanton Bern for a period of 3-5 years and the reality is that my kids can not speak German at all. They have place in Bern International School already and moving from one IB school to another helps a lot ito curricullum expectations etc. In that sense we know what we are in for - price wise - zzzzzzzz that is another horror story.
I don't know about Kanton Bern but in Kanton Aargau, under certain circumstances if you are deemed an expat you can deduct the cost of international school fees. You cannot do so if an employer is paying them on your behalf. This is something worth looking into in Bern.
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Re: English school vs German school for 11year old

This is really a very helpful tip - I will sure look into it and will post it on the forum. Thank you very much.
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Re: English school vs German school for 11year old

I am surprised to read the various stories about swiss schools.
I am from India and was planning to shift to swiss. But seems I have to give a second thought.
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Re: English school vs German school for 11year old

I have been reading a lot and searching this forum from corner to corner. The more I read and the more I get my reality a bit closer to my expectaion I feel better and better about it all especially the school choices we are making.
What I find the most difficult is to stop comparing with the present with the perceived future - and on top of that - to stop thinking how they are going to cope - trying to already work away all their challenges.
I guess it is true - once you start to live an expat life you do change the paths of your children as well - they will be different from their peers back home forever. They bear the fruit of our choices.
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I am surprised to read the various stories about swiss schools.
I am from India and was planning to shift to swiss. But seems I have to give a second thought.
By the nature of discussions, you are more likely to find people talking about problems they had rather than normal school life with no problems. People with bad experience want to warn others and exchange in order to get over their hard time. When all goes well, sharing is not really the most obvious thing to do.

You wanted to switch to Swiss schools. You must have reasons. Fine. Take time to make your own opinion about the one Swiss school in particular that is relevant for your child. Only this one and only Swiss school matters to your child. Warnings from others will help you to identify what to be very careful about. This is a good help. But the decision is yours. And there was reasons why you had your child in an international school, ask yourself to what extend they are still valid.

I am just trying to make a point: general information is good, but at the end, it is always a decision about one specific child, at one specific school in one specific context.
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Re: English school vs German school for 11year old

After reading some of the info on here.. Im getting scared!! I have no option but to choose a wiss school for my 11 yr old.. but dont know what he will do as he does have any command of German language. Which section of the secondary school will he end up in. My child too is a "high" achiever academically and I would hate to think that this experience changes that and him completely...
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After reading some of the info on here.. Im getting scared!! I have no option but to choose a wiss school for my 11 yr old.. but dont know what he will do as he does have any command of German language. Which section of the secondary school will he end up in. My child too is a "high" achiever academically and I would hate to think that this experience changes that and him completely...
Do your child and yourself a favour, Meesh.

Consider well what exactly could be his education chances on a (maybe) limited budget in UK, and what it could be in CH.

I'm the last one to think CH is a paradise, I'm very critic about Swiss education system as well (especially I hate the idea that children have to "waste" a whole day in closed buildings), but I guess in the UK for a good academic education you need money. In CH you do not need a single frank.

And I do not know any 11y old that did not manage to make another new language his second mother tong.

Maybe it takes one or even two years more, nobody will ever ask him why he's 18 instead of 16, especially if bilingual.
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