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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

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Looking out a decade or two, what are his plans, where does he see himself, what does he see himself doing?
Does he see himself as the guy implementing a plan/solution he's handed, or the guy who finds the solution to a problem, makes the plan (even if just in his head) and implements it? You sound to me like he's the latter, in which case a full apprenticeship is probably the way to go. Am I right to think that a Vocational Baccalaureate is not an option?

Unfortunately, unless there is a miracle, it may be challenging to get him into a classroom. His dyslexia has played havoc on his academics.

With years of practical experience he should at least be on the level of an EBA(*) already. That in turn may open the path to an apprenticeship (EFZ), potentially shortened by the first of the four years. What's taught in the 2nd year may be old news to him as well but he'll lack the trade's German vocabulary, so even if it were kind of a repeat year it's probably still useful.

Yes, he is going for the EBA, which may or may not lead to something higher. School is not really an option , in any language, therefore the learning by doing approach.

Getting an EFZ(*) (a full apprenticeship) would open the path to a FachHochSchule(*), should he decide that he wants to go more theoretical (you never know, right?). And if he were to develop an allergy it would be a good base to build on something new. In short, it provides the most flexibility given what you mention.

Many companies can't find apprentices to fill the positions nowadays, especially those focusing on manual stuff, so despite the language issue he's probably in a relatively good position. Apprentices start in August so now's the time to not delay and go hunting. In addition to berufsberatung.ch mentioned above he/you may want to contact the Swiss carpenters' association at vssm.ch.

Already in full swing with the Berufberater in Kanton Schwyz...and in the lands of a Laufbahnberater, who comes highly recommended. :-)

Whatever he decides he'll need German (in the Zürich area). For the time being this should be his top priority (nevermind his accent, everybody's got one).

Going for Verbal Planet approach just now....classrooms are still a no-go...

Coming Thursday is the Nationaler Zukunftstag where companies generally looking for apprentices present themselves. Your son has already made the decision for carpentry so it's not for him, but when it comes to contacting companies which have a longer-term perspective they may be (among) his primary targets. See this list, perhaps download and save as it may be taken offline soon.

Oh darn! That was today! However, I have saved the list. Thank you!

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EBA = Eidg. or Eidgenössisches BerufsAttest, Federal Certificate (a simplified EFZ)
EFZ = Eidg. FähigkeitsZeugnis, Federal Diploma of Vocational Training (what used to be the traditional apprenticeship)
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''Whatever he decides he'll need German (in the Zürich area). For the time being this should be his top priority (nevermind his accent, everybody's got one).

Going for Verbal Planet approach just now....classrooms are still a no-go...''

there are of course other ways to learn a languague than going into a classroom.
I teach French in a totally communicative manner - around my kitchen table. Often with students who would not cope in a classroom setting and traditional methods. Sadly, any apprenticeship will mean classroom, formal tuition and exams- so hope you will find a way.
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If your son is already in his twenties it won't be easy to find a place to do an apprenticeship as they are geared to and for teens.

I completely disagree. Getting a mid-twenties guy to accept an apprenticeship is like a lottery win for any master - he gets a trained and experienced worker basically for free. The guy is not just older, stronger, more experienced... he is also really motivated and knows what he wants. So he isnt just going to stay for the full education but if you treat him right going to stay after finishing as well. THere is really no downside for the employer... the trainee on the other hand has to go to school with Swiss teenager, earns a fraction of what he is worth...
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

Hello Susan,
I imagine that your research for and encouragement of your son must be quite a challenge.

Here's a related thread, from some time ago. https://www.englishforum.ch/complain...education.html
In post 24, I tell an encouraging story about a young man who did, after quite a struggle, get an apprenticeship, when he had seemingly had no chance whatsoever. Of course, each person's bumps-in-the-road are different, so not everything in that tale would be applicable to your son.

Many dyslexics have all too often had the disheartening experience of going straight to the bottom of the class, or lagging behind almost immediately. I do wonder, though, whether there could be any way for your son to get more helpful assistance with managing his dyslexia, now, than was ever available to him (or which he could appropriate and integrate) back then.

Your son already knows a whole lot through the woodworking he has done. Perhaps, if he could find someone to teach him the vocabulary in German (names of tools, woods, and procedures), that would help. He'd also be stronger if someone (many a young man at that age might find it more bearable were the helper to be a person outside the family) would be kind and steady enough to work through the textbooks with him in advance. In such ways, he'd be entering that classroom with many advantages that he probably didn't have when he struggled at school, before.

I wish you well, and hope that a door opens for you and him.
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

Depending on your son's interests, might he be able to volunteer for a while? For example, on a farm? That way, he'd be doing things with his hands.

He'd also be speaking German all the time, with narry a classroom in sight. Might help with improving his practice. Of course, this works only if he already has at least basic conversation level, otherwise it's not allowed because not fair on the farmers.

The work is voluntary, but one does get board and lodging for free, in exchange for working. The minimum duration is one week from Monday to Friday, but longer stays are possible. Agreeing to be there is regarded as a fixed commitment.

The FAQs are really good.
https://www.bergeinsatz.ch/de/fuer-f...ge-fragen.html


Also
https://www.berghilfe.ch/de/arbeitseins%C3%A4tze

http://www.muntlareita.ch/arbeitsein...fer/index.html

http://www.carefarming-info.ch/vielf...einsatz-wwoof/
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

I'd like to presume that the Berufsberatung knows about the following, but put it here just in case it has been overlooked:

https://www.verband-dyslexie.ch/inde...e-Studium.html
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