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Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

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He would probably be totally unhappy should he find out about this post, but...we need help....

Our 18 year old is learning disabled, only not to the point to be visible. If you met him, he is a tall, good-looking and charming young man. However, his dyslexia has played havoc with his life and he has had nothing but failure in school. He is in the 10th grade, for the second time. Between our MANY international moves and the lack of inclusion in the International Schools, and his limited German, he is now an outsider. He just doesn't fit anywhere and I see my once beaming child, turning into a frustrated teenager. Can you help?

He needs a job, with a mentor. He is very good with his hands and 3-D perception. (loves to build) After spending a FORTUNE on private international and national schools, we are looking for a different approach; learning by doing. Of course, more important than any salary, is the contact he may have. We want to be clever, and allow him to find success, with clever people. Do you have suggestions?

Many thanks for your thoughts.
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

cool hobby for him, kept me busy this whole winter: http://yostwerks.com/

site is very, very elaborate with lots and lots of pictures showing all building steps.
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

Hospitality industry might be a place to look into....

Many in Switzerland, some expensive, others less......
Not to focussed on academics (big part is) but your personality and social interaction is important....


Might be something to look into!
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

Have you asked him what he would like to do? Dyslexia can obviously be attributed to some of these problems but its not the only issue here.

Hospitality is only going to work if he is interested in it. Its not for everyone...

Good luck
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

Computer programming or DBA, look into courses in this sphere.
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Computer programming or DBA, look into courses in this sphere.
She said he is a charming young man, so that won't work.

How about a plumbing course? Very hands on. Also intensive German. At least so he can speak it and understand it well.
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

I'd suggest to find out what he LIKES doing and look for an apprenticeship that falls within his interests.

He's good with 3D and building - I'm sure there are construction type apprenticeships available. It may not be what you've always "dreamed" of your child striving to achieve but the idea is for HIM to feel happy and successful...

Which leads me to the whole Swiss school system thing:
If your son has had particular difficulties since about 10th grade (in the US that would usually be someone around 15 or 16yo so seems to fit), that's about the same age that Swiss kids are sorted into vocational / apprentice fields vs college-bound studies.

Maybe have a chat with some school counselors within your local Swiss school system to find out what may be helpful there.

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Hi everyone,
He would probably be totally unhappy should he find out about this post, but...we need help....

Our 18 year old is learning disabled, only not to the point to be visible. If you met him, he is a tall, good-looking and charming young man. However, his dyslexia has played havoc with his life and he has had nothing but failure in school. He is in the 10th grade, for the second time. Between our MANY international moves and the lack of inclusion in the International Schools, and his limited German, he is now an outsider. He just doesn't fit anywhere and I see my once beaming child, turning into a frustrated teenager. Can you help?

He needs a job, with a mentor. He is very good with his hands and 3-D perception. (loves to build) After spending a FORTUNE on private international and national schools, we are looking for a different approach; learning by doing. Of course, more important than any salary, is the contact he may have. We want to be clever, and allow him to find success, with clever people. Do you have suggestions?

Many thanks for your thoughts.


I once knew an amazing dyslexic person, he was a carpenter! awesome dude! could build anything....he build a lot of my house. maybe try this area of work?
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...NOW 28!!!

Dear all,
What an experience it has been to have our wonderfully talented and dyslexic son! By chance, I found this old post and as I read through the responses, I realized the person who really needed to grow WAS ME! I think I should have listened to all of your advice, TEN YEARS AGO!

In any case, I am happy to announce, he has made his way, despite my shortcomings as a parent. He obtained a GED in USA and a certificate in carpentry at a community college. He has since worked several jobs in USA and is quite the handyman.

YET, he has come full circle and now WANTS TO LIVE IN SWITZERLAND! So, we are back to square one, with a more mature and experienced young man, who would like to start a Swiss apprenticeship. He is, however, still dyslectic and learns best with his hands. His German is still rather on the AMI-Deutsch level.

Any suggestions? I hope to listen better at this time! Well, actually, he is the one to listen, but I am the one on English Forum. :-)

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Dear all,
What an experience it has been to have our wonderfully talented and dyslexic son! By chance, I found this old post and as I read through the responses, I realized the person who really needed to grow WAS ME! I think I should have listened to all of your advice, TEN YEARS AGO!

In any case, I am happy to announce, he has made his way, despite my shortcomings as a parent. He obtained a GED in USA and a certificate in carpentry at a community college. He has since worked several jobs in USA and is quite the handyman.

YET, he has come full circle and now WANTS TO LIVE IN SWITZERLAND! So, we are back to square one, with a more mature and experienced young man, who would like to start a Swiss apprenticeship. He is, however, still dyslectic and learns best with his hands. His German is still rather on the AMI-Deutsch level.

Any suggestions? I hope to listen better at this time! Well, actually, he is the one to listen, but I am the one on English Forum. :-)

Dankeschön
I don't have any suggestions, but thanks for coming back to update. I'm glad he's found his way including learning a trade, and would like to come back to be with you. Wishing you all the best!
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Old 07.11.2019, 22:07
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

I know of quite a few people who have worked in construction with no Swiss apprenticeship. Maybe he could start with a low level construction job, that would improve his swiss german considerably, then he could do the apprenticeship?

.... although, what citizenship does he have??
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

Yes, that's my thought Island Monkey. Does he have a citizenship that would allow him to move back here easily? Assuming Peg A was right about his age then I guess he's around 25-26 now, long outside the age that he could come back here as a dependent under family reunification. If he's non-EU then only by finding a job here or studying would it be possible and I'm not sure doing an apprenticeship would fall in the study category. If he's EU then it's not so much of a problem of course, though he'd still need to show he can support himself financially.
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

Susan mentions in other posts that the family are US and CH citizens.
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

If your son is already in his twenties it won't be easy to find a place to do an apprenticeship as they are geared to and for teens. Also don't underestimate the need for good German as he will have to attend school as well.

In your situation I would therefore start with an EBA, which is a two year programe (instead of three) and with less schooling. If he masters the EBA he can then do the EFZ in the same profession and start directly in the second year of the three year EFZ which means it will take him 4 years instead of three in order to finish the EFZ (the "normal" apprenticeship).

Check what jobs he would like to do. Here is the information for the Schreiner EBA https://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/show/1900?id=6823
Baupraktiker might also be an option https://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/sh...idx=30&id=7946
or Dachdeckerpraktiker https://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/sh...idx=30&id=9952
or Fassadenpraktiker https://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/sh...idx=30&id=9953

There are also other options so check the www.berufsberatung.ch site closely, you can have a look at all the different EBA that might of interest for him.

Then look at https://www.yousty.ch/de-CH and look for places that offer Lehrstellen in your area.

In his situation I suggest that he should take his CV with him and goes and visits the place personally. As he is not the tipical youth, it might be easier to persuade them if he goes there in person. Also offer to work a day for free in order to show what he can.
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

Looking out a decade or two, what are his plans, where does he see himself, what does he see himself doing?
Does he see himself as the guy implementing a plan/solution he's handed, or the guy who finds the solution to a problem, makes the plan (even if just in his head) and implements it? You sound to me like he's the latter, in which case a full apprenticeship is probably the way to go. Am I right to think that a Vocational Baccalaureate is not an option?

With years of practical experience he should at least be on the level of an EBA(*) already. That in turn may open the path to an apprenticeship (EFZ), potentially shortened by the first of the four years. What's taught in the 2nd year may be old news to him as well but he'll lack the trade's German vocabulary, so even if it were kind of a repeat year it's probably still useful.

Getting an EFZ(*) (a full apprenticeship) would open the path to a FachHochSchule(*), should he decide that he wants to go more theoretical (you never know, right?). And if he were to develop an allergy it would be a good base to build on something new. In short, it provides the most flexibility given what you mention.

Many companies can't find apprentices to fill the positions nowadays, especially those focusing on manual stuff, so despite the language issue he's probably in a relatively good position. Apprentices start in August so now's the time to not delay and go hunting. In addition to berufsberatung.ch mentioned above he/you may want to contact the Swiss carpenters' association at vssm.ch.

Whatever he decides he'll need German (in the Zürich area). For the time being this should be his top priority (nevermind his accent, everybody's got one).

Coming Thursday is the Nationaler Zukunftstag where companies generally looking for apprentices present themselves. Your son has already made the decision for carpentry so it's not for him, but when it comes to contacting companies which have a longer-term perspective they may be (among) his primary targets. See this list, perhaps download and save as it may be taken offline soon.

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EBA = Eidg. or Eidgenössisches BerufsAttest, Federal Certificate (a simplified EFZ)
EFZ = Eidg. FähigkeitsZeugnis, Federal Diploma of Vocational Training (what used to be the traditional apprenticeship)
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Re: Learning by doing, for an 18 year old...

[QUOTE=irish_temptation;3118286]If your son is already in his twenties it won't be easy to find a place to do an apprenticeship as they are geared to and for teens. Also don't underestimate the need for good German as he will have to attend school as well......


Just to say that this part if irish_temptation's post isn't totally accurate; my youngest is in the final year of an apprenticeship, and will be 38 when he sits his final exams.

The hardest part was finding someone willing to take him on.... that and being in a classroom of teenagers who originally mistook him for the teacher!
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I know of quite a few people who have worked in construction with no Swiss apprenticeship. Maybe he could start with a low level construction job, that would improve his swiss german considerably, then he could do the apprenticeship?
Yes, that would be my advice. And have German lessons too, to improve his more formal German and grammar- but in a communicative way. It will also help him fit in socially better.

Good on him- bravo. Onwards and forwards.

Anjela- wow - impressive. I was 29 when I went to Uni to do a full-time teacher training course, when youngest started school. I was the only mature student in my year- so it was tought at times. Bravo to him, and to those who supported him.
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I was 29 when I went to Uni to do a full-time teacher training course, when youngest started school. I was the only mature student in my year- so it was tought at times. Bravo to him, and to those who supported him.
Me too, I was 28.... older than one of my tutors
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