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I have a 5.5 year old daughter who started Kindergarten in August last year.

We have had feedbacks from the Kindergarten teachers which is really worrying us. There was a meeting with the teacher in Dec last year where they made a feedback that they feel that my daughter has difficulty concentrating and is really hyperactive. They also say she does not listen to them. I was surprised when she asked me to speak with her doctor and ask if she should go for Ergotherapy. I think my girl is a normal child, reasonably intelligent and I accept she is not perfect. There are times she is naughty but are not all children. We discussed with the doctor and he clearly said this is not required.

Now, we were invited to another meeting with the same complaints and the teacher said she spoke to our doctor and he has agreed that my daughter should go for Psychomotoriktherapie(sounds scary). This time she was stern and said if we do not send her they might not allow to her to go to a Primary School and she will have to go to Special School.

I would say this is really not acceptable to me. I would say the teachers are not doing there work and just pushing us to see doctors to solve things which the should be doing.

Does anybody have similar experiences here ? What are the options we have ? We are planning to meet the School Principal under whom all the Kindergartens are. I would say this is unnecessary pressure and threating when they say that we should send her to this therapy or she goes to this Special School. I also checked that this Special School in Zurich is for children with mental problems or who have autism and my daughter DEFINITELY does not fall in this category.

Can we request that my daughter be moved to another Kindergarten as we really now doubt the capabilities of the teachers of her Kindergarten. We are even contemplating moving to a new location in a new environment and even leaving the country. This whole experience has been very stressful till now.

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Re: Worrying feedback from Kindergarten teacher

Psychomotorik is easy-going. Go for it - take the free one-on-one support for your child.

It's not heavy-going psychiatric therapy, "psychomotorik" is about strengthening points such as pressure, posture - anything to do with mental/physical issues - from holding the pencil the right way round to practicing bouncing a ball, whatever. The idea is to give the child a chance early on in life, so that he/she doesn't get far behind in comparison to others. I know it's widely criticised and considered "fluffy", but the more you do now at this age, the less problems you will have later. And the kids love it!

We have first-hand experience - so if you would like to drop a pm, feel free to do so.

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I would say this is really not acceptable to me. I would say the teachers are not doing there work and just pushing us to see doctors to solve things which the should be doing.


Having a sister who is a pre school teacher, I would suggest to go to the doctor. I do not think it would hurt. From my sister I always hear stories where the parents do not want to accept that there might be something going on with their child, I understand it is hard, but if you think about it. isn't it worse if you ignore the teacher's suggestion?
It would seem to me also that this is not the first time this is suggested, just get a good doctor and get a good opinion. It might help your child develop her skills fully
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Re: Worrying feedback from Kindergarten teacher

as a mother and a teacher i would say, take adeep breath- it's never easy to hear someone recommend 'special' services for our children- esp. when it's done in such a manner. but, i would also bring your child at least 3 times (my own thing, i give most things with my son 3 chances- usually one or two is not enough to see if it does any good) and see what the therapist says and if nothing more to appease the teacher a bit. if it's not for your little one, you can at least say you've explored the option and go from there.

but, you never know. anytime your child has a chance to get any extra support at that age- be it language support, motor skills support, etc. it can't do any harm. she can sharpen her skills even if they are already normal and she may actually enjoy it- the attention, the exercises, etc.

and i think as a parent if you at least try it and find it isn't necessary you have more of an argument if you wanted to discuss the teacher's tactics and skills of the teacher.

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Re: Worrying feedback from Kindergarten teacher

When my daughter was in KG we got the same feedback, took her to the Doctors and he did not see any reason for her to go, but said it would not do any harm, the worst it could do was help her. She as been going to ergo for nearly 2 years now and she loves it, she as also progressed alot with her skills. Don`t stress out about it, and i certainly would not leave the country over this, Switzerland is to beautiful to leave
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Re: Worrying feedback from Kindergarten teacher

As usual, there is so much which is unclear here.

Concerning the 'not listening' - as I've found no Intro from you and you have no details in your profile, the language question is the first thing which came to my mind.
How long have you been here? Did she understand German before she started Kindergarten? Does she understand it now? Does she get tired when listening to German?
Most people find it exhausting and 'switch off' when they've had enough.

Re hyperactive - I'm not saying the Kindergarten teacher is one of them, but many folk use the term for a child if they themselves cannot hold the child's attention.

However, that said, loads and loads of children here are receiving some sort of extra therapy; if there are options for things which might help her, I, too, would go along with it.
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As usual, there is so much which is unclear here.

Concerning the 'not listening' - as I've found no Intro from you and you have no details in your profile, the language question is the first thing which came to my mind.
How long have you been here? Did she understand German before she started Kindergarten? Does she understand it now? Does she get tired when listening to German?
Most people find it exhausting and 'switch off' when they've had enough.

Re hyperactive - I'm not saying the Kindergarten teacher is one of them, but many folk use the term for a child if they themselves cannot hold the child's attention.

However, that said, loads and loads of children here are receiving some sort of extra therapy; if there are options for things which might help her, I, too, would go along with it.
We are here since 5 years and do not speak much German. My daughter went to a Krippe for 8 to 9 months and picked up some German there. Of course her German is nowhere compared to the other children. We think that its her lack of language skills which is causing this problem but her teachers do not seem to agree.

BTW, thanks a lot for the replies. I feel much better now.
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Re: Worrying feedback from Kindergarten teacher

Hi,
she is only young and her behaviour could be down to many problems from being new at school and learning to settle down to issues at home eg, birth of new sibling, house move, hearing or sight problems .... all sorts.
I would suggest that you ask a Paediatrican to review her and perhaps a psychometric assessment from a child psychologist would be useful,
if anything to reassure you and also find out her strengths and weaknesses, areas to work on, this will help the teachers.
If you want to pm me I am happy to discuss it further
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ps and of course it may be her relationship with her teacher

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Hi all

I have a 5.5 year old daughter who started Kindergarten in August last year.

We have had feedback from the Kindergarten teachers which is really worrying us. There was a meeting with the teacher in Dec last year where they made a feedback that they feel that my daughter has difficulty concentrating and is really hyperactive. They also say she does not listen to them. I was surprised when she asked me to speak with her doctor and ask if she should go for Ergotherapy. I think my girl is a normal child, reasonably intelligent and I accept she is not perfect. There are times she is naughty but are not all children. We discussed with the doctor and he clearly said this is not required.
Dear Dietiker,

As a formal primary teacher my personal advice is trust the kindergarten teachers and try the Ergotherapy or the new approach suggested.
Hyperactivity can be diagnosed after a continuous number of symptoms and signs during a 6 months period of time, try to know as much as you can about the disease, discuss the behavior that the teachers are complaining about and work out strategies together, they will always be your best allies.
Try also to find a specialist for your kid that can verify how she is developing and find out which behavior and strategies you can adopt to help her in her daily life.
Hyperactivity with attention deficit disorder is serious, but children can be helped and learn to help themselves in order to achieve their goals, it is a matter of discipline and strategy that can make your life and hers much better .
Her educational future is really depending on how much help she is getting to overcome her difficulties, give it a try and believe in better days


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Psychomotorik lessons usually are also proposed if the child has difficulties with graphomotorical movements and should not be seen as something extremly special. In fact they are a part of the public schools in every canton and completly free of charge. Take it as chance for your child.
I found the exact definition (in German only), which will probably help you to come to a decision. www.psychomotorik.ch/psychomotorik2.htm
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Hyperactivity can be diagnosed after a continuous number of symptoms and signs during a 6 months period of time, try to know as much as you can about the disease (...)
Hyperactivity with attention deficit disorder.
With all due respect ADHD and ADD are disorders (maybe) not diseases and their etiologies are iffy at best. I haven't looked at the literature in a good decade, but when I did, some papers indicated that a majority of children diagnosed with the disorder were misdiagnosed (not surprisingly, often by teachers and school nurses, not doctors). I know little about ergotherapy but it sounds like a less drastic suggestion then the more common answers to ADD and ADHD.
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Re: Worrying feedback from Kindergarten teacher

It has been suggested by my daughter's (3 yo) spielgruppe teacher that she may have some "issues" too. I have booked an appointment for next week with our paediatrician to discuss it further.

I think we're talking something like "sensory processing disorder" or some name like that!! It's not the first time it's come up so I wasn't too shocked, but it's hard to think that all's not right with your child when you are used to how they are - we all have strange personality quirks after all!

So I can understand how you feel. It's comforting to read that others have been through it too - we're not alone!! I recommend you speak to your Dr and go from there.

Good luck, and I'll report back on how we get on, next week!
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It has been suggested by my daughter's (3 yo) spielgruppe teacher that she may have some "issues" too...
When I hear a three year old is perhaps having "issues" I wanna slap someone. Sorry, I'm going OT. Three years old!
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Yeah, I know. But I guess the Spielgruppe teacher feels that if something is picked up early then it's better for the child.

We're not making a big deal of it, just want to talk to our very lovely Dr who I trust, to see what her thoughts are!

Issues was probably the wrong word!!
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dont tkae things to heart your child will grow out of it sooner or later
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Re: Worrying feedback from Kindergarten teacher

Reviving this old thread in the hope that the OP might be able to provide some feedback on how this turned out and that other members might have had similar, more recent experiences.

Our 5 year old son started local KG last year (when he was four years old). Like all children he has different strengths and weaknesses, but we would not regard him as being developmentally slower than others. He is an only child so he can struggle with sharing, etc. which we are working on.

We had a meeting with his teachers last night and whilst they have noted improvements overall since starting KG (which we also have seen and concur with), they think some of his motor skills may require some work (holding a pencil, using scissors, etc.) and are recommending that we schedule an appointment with his pediatrician to discuss potential therapies, such as ergo therapy.

We are not opposed to doing this but do find it quite an extreme course of action, specifically because this is the first year of KG. I don't think that it would be something that would normally be done in our home country for (what I would consider are) basic skills that with normal practice will get better.

Has anyone else had a similar experience and how did this turn out for you? Has anyone experienced any social stigmas by teachers, other kids/parents, etc. after letting their children attend these types of therapies?
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Reviving this old thread in the hope that the OP might be able to provide some feedback on how this turned out and that other members might have had similar, more recent experiences.

Our 5 year old son started local KG last year (when he was four years old). Like all children he has different strengths and weaknesses, but we would not regard him as being developmentally slower than others. He is an only child so he can struggle with sharing, etc. which we are working on.

We had a meeting with his teachers last night and whilst they have noted improvements overall since starting KG (which we also have seen and concur with), they think some of his motor skills may require some work (holding a pencil, using scissors, etc.) and are recommending that we schedule an appointment with his pediatrician to discuss potential therapies, such as ergo therapy.

We are not opposed to doing this but do find it quite an extreme course of action, specifically because this is the first year of KG. I don't think that it would be something that would normally be done in our home country for (what I would consider are) basic skills that with normal practice will get better.

Has anyone else had a similar experience and how did this turn out for you? Has anyone experienced any social stigmas by teachers, other kids/parents, etc. after letting their children attend these types of therapies?
one of our daughters did some sessions of this (pyschomotortherapy I think its called here) following what was a very pleasant conversation - the school didnt insist from what i remember I think it was a regular checkup with the doc and she said that she might benefit from it. In my view it was a complete waste of time, there was (is) nothing wrong with my daughter, she now excels in classes at school and there was absolutely no difference from the 10 sessions of this she went to, apart from the fact she enjoyed playing with all the toys in the room and we discovered health insurance didnt cover it.

Of course other experiences may be different but this is our perspective.
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Reviving this old thread in the hope that the OP might be able to provide some feedback on how this turned out and that other members might have had similar, more recent experiences.

Our 5 year old son started local KG last year (when he was four years old). Like all children he has different strengths and weaknesses, but we would not regard him as being developmentally slower than others. He is an only child so he can struggle with sharing, etc. which we are working on.

We had a meeting with his teachers last night and whilst they have noted improvements overall since starting KG (which we also have seen and concur with), they think some of his motor skills may require some work (holding a pencil, using scissors, etc.) and are recommending that we schedule an appointment with his pediatrician to discuss potential therapies, such as ergo therapy.

We are not opposed to doing this but do find it quite an extreme course of action, specifically because this is the first year of KG. I don't think that it would be something that would normally be done in our home country for (what I would consider are) basic skills that with normal practice will get better.

Has anyone else had a similar experience and how did this turn out for you? Has anyone experienced any social stigmas by teachers, other kids/parents, etc. after letting their children attend these types of therapies?
There are swings and roundabouts in the Swiss education system, whilst the normal band is quite narrow the services available are quite wide and good. Our son has ADHA and problems with fine motor skills and had ergotherapy for a number of years, it is not uncommon here so don't worry. The % of boys in therapy here is high (bandwidth issue?) and it won't be viewed badly by anyone. There are still a couple of things to consider, bullying/teasing is an (often unaddressed) issue here so he could be a target if his skills are less than his peers, therapy will help him. Work closely with his teacher even if you disagree a bit with their analysis, they will help but don't want/have time to carry the whole (supposed) burden. Thirdly, look at the match between the therapist and your child, this is critical to maintain motivation and there are alternatives if the school one doesn't work out. Ask questions as (a lot) services available are not offered or easily found as it would be considered rude to suggest to you how you should raise your child!
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Reviving this old thread in the hope that the OP might be able to provide some feedback on how this turned out and that other members might have had similar, more recent experiences.

Our 5 year old son started local KG last year (when he was four years old). Like all children he has different strengths and weaknesses, but we would not regard him as being developmentally slower than others. He is an only child so he can struggle with sharing, etc. which we are working on.

We had a meeting with his teachers last night and whilst they have noted improvements overall since starting KG (which we also have seen and concur with), they think some of his motor skills may require some work (holding a pencil, using scissors, etc.) and are recommending that we schedule an appointment with his pediatrician to discuss potential therapies, such as ergo therapy.

We are not opposed to doing this but do find it quite an extreme course of action, specifically because this is the first year of KG. I don't think that it would be something that would normally be done in our home country for (what I would consider are) basic skills that with normal practice will get better.

Has anyone else had a similar experience and how did this turn out for you? Has anyone experienced any social stigmas by teachers, other kids/parents, etc. after letting their children attend these types of therapies?
We had a similar situation with our son, who was put in "motor skills therapy" classes (one per week, during regular school hours) when he began the 1st class / primary school. It was just him and the teacher in the class, which was nice so that she could focus only on him for that one hour per week. They realized he needed the classes when he wasn't able to do things as easily as some of the other kids, especially with his hands, such as zipping zippers, etc. He was also very timid compared to other kids (e.g. didn't want to climb high, etc.). And being that he is our only child, I think they noticed things that we didn't because we didn't have as good of an understanding about what is "normal" for that age since he has no brothers or sisters for us to compare it to.

We have not noticed anything in terms of social stigmas. And I think it's actually not all that uncommon for kids to be put into these classes. For us, I'm glad they were able to "catch it" and do something to address the issue. It's better to try to fix any issues like that now rather than wait until the kids are older, I think. And my son actually really enjoyed the classes. He thought they were a lot of fun (lots of climbing, jumping, drawing, etc). The classes went on for two years, but they're done now.
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