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Old 14.04.2010, 09:38
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Alcoholism treatment and help

Hi there,

I hope y'all don't mind but in view of last night's discussion, I thought I might post some information about alcoholism and alcoholism treatments available both on the net and in Switzerland. These lists are not exhaustive and there are a wealth of site and information available on the net.

Here are some quit drinking support forums on the internet, there is lots of information on quitting tools and techniques as well as a lot of understanding and support.

http://www.thesobervillage.com/
http://www.brighteyecounselling.co.uk/
http://wqd.netwarriors.org/
http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/

Quitting methods:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Allen-Carrs-.../dp/0572028504
http://www.smartrecovery.org/
https://rational.org/index.php?id=1

Alcoholism info sites:

http://www.spiritualriver.com/how-to...nking-alcohol/
http://www.quitalcoholtoday.com/
http://www.stopdrinkingadvice.org/

Anti-craving Medications like Naltextrone (Revia) and Acamprosate (Campral) or Disulfiram (Antabuse)

Swiss AA meetings

French and Italian: http://www.aasri.org/
German: http://www.anonyme-alkoholiker.ch/
English : http://www.aa-europe.net/countries/switzerland.htm

Swiss society for the prevention of alcoholism. http://www.sfa-ispa.ch/

Info on this forum : http://www.englishforum.ch/search.php?searchid=3720918

Basically, if you are worried about your drinking, no matter the result of whatever test you do on the net etc…, the chances are that you have some sort of problem with alcohol, be it abuse or dependency/addiction.

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Old 14.04.2010, 09:46
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What discussion did I miss?
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Old 14.04.2010, 09:47
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Nothing. Hush petal, you concentrate on your rosemary and tomato ravioli.
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Nothing. Hush petal, you concentrate on your rosemary and tomato ravioli.
But I didn't even serve any wine with the meal!
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Hello Friends......

Yes, alcoholism can be treated. Alcoholism treatment programs use both counseling and medications to help a person stop drinking. Most alcoholics need help to recover from their disease. With support and treatment, many people are able to stop drinking and rebuild their lives.

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I would say that ALL alcoholics need help fighting this disease. I worked for 7 months in a clinik near Payerne. They need proper support and expert help, it isn't easy dealing with it as an amateur.
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I would say that ALL alcoholics need help fighting this disease. I worked for 7 months in a clinik near Payerne. They need proper support and expert help, it isn't easy dealing with it as an amateur.
Is it a disease?
Is an addiction a disease?

I think addiction to alcohol is like drugs.
You can come off them if you believe that you have a problem and are determined and have the will power; nothing more.

Too many people can't handle living in the real world perhaps and this is their get out.
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Well admitting you have a problem is a start but it is really hard to get over that addiction (or any for that matter).
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Is it a disease?
Is an addiction a disease?

I think addiction to alcohol is like drugs.
You can come off them if you believe that you have a problem and are determined and have the will power; nothing more.
You raise in interesting question IMO.

I don't have an answer, but as ever, an opinion ().

I find it hard to think of alcoholism as a disease straight off. However, how the mind and body works is very different individual to individual. For you, you may indeed have the will power to not be an alcoholic. But, I think one needs to dig a little deeper.

Why are some seemingly ordinary people affected by psychological conditions? Why is one person more worried about (e.g.) travelling than another and is neurotic about being at an airport 2 hrs before a flight? Why are some people sex addicts ?

We all have different triggers for different emotions and it is possible that what you might perceive as a weakness has some sort of physiological weakness due to differences in neural pathways.

So while I still struggle with classing this as a straight disease, like heart disease or cancer, I do accept that these people are in need of professional help, beyond being told to HTFU (although that may, of course, help too).
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Old 16.07.2010, 09:36
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Is it a disease?
Is an addiction a disease?

I think addiction to alcohol is like drugs.
You can come off them if you believe that you have a problem and are determined and have the will power; nothing more.

Too many people can't handle living in the real world perhaps and this is their get out.
Well, if you are a heavy alcoholic you can't just go cold turkey, as you would die. I would call that a disease. Your body builds up such a massive dependancy that if you just stop suddenly you can keel over..
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Old 16.07.2010, 09:49
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Is it a disease?
Is an addiction a disease?

I think addiction to alcohol is like drugs.
You can come off them if you believe that you have a problem and are determined and have the will power; nothing more.
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The disease component for an alcoholic is that they cannot drink like normal people.
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Well, if you are a heavy alcoholic you can't just go cold turkey, as you would die. I would call that a disease. Your body builds up such a massive dependancy that if you just stop suddenly you can keel over..
That's the definition of an addiction though. A disease, to me, remains something like cancer, or more simply a cold or flu.

I then looked this up (courtesy of Wiki):

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Addiction is a primary, chronic disease of brain reward, motivation, memory and related circuitry. Dysfunction in these circuits leads to characteristic biological, psychological, social and spiritual manifestations. This is reflected in the individual pursuing reward and/or relief by substance use and other behaviors. Addiction is characterized by impairment in behavioral control, craving, inability to consistently abstain, and diminished recognition of significant problems with one’s behaviors and interpersonal relationships. Like other chronic diseases, addiction involves cycles of relapse and remission. Without treatment or engagement in recovery activities, addiction is progressive and can result in disability or premature death.
TBH, I struggle with this definition, as in my mind the alcohol use is a symptom of the disease and not the disease itself. It's like saying insulin dependance in diabetics is the disease. It's not. I do wonder if this is "over medicalisation" to clasify alcoholism as a disease to make people take it more seriously.
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The disease component for an alcoholic is that they cannot drink like normal people.
That is not a disease; that is willpower.
Same to an extend with fat people.
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Is it a disease?
Is an addiction a disease?

I think addiction to alcohol is like drugs.
You can come off them if you believe that you have a problem and are determined and have the will power; nothing more.

Too many people can't handle living in the real world perhaps and this is their get out.
There is proof that it actually *alters* neurological pathways in the brain. Thus, it is not psychological but physical. Disease/condition, whatever you want to call it, really doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with "will power". Sorry.

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Well, if you are a heavy alcoholic you can't just go cold turkey, as you would die. I would call that a disease. Your body builds up such a massive dependancy that if you just stop suddenly you can keel over..
Wow, this is simply not true. There are of course withdrawal symptoms, but only in the most extreme of cases might someone die from the
withdrawal symptoms.

There are so many misconceptions about alcoholism. Amazing what people say without actually knowing.
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That is not a disease; that is willpower.
Same to an extend with fat people.
Does that mean that everybody is naturally predisposed to overeat and drink too much alcohol, but fortunately most of us have the willpower to resist the urge?
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Does that mean that everybody is naturally predisposed to overeat and drink too much alcohol, but fortunately most of us have the willpower to resist the urge?
Moderation my dear!
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Moderation my dear!
That was kind of my point: if we drink moderately naturally, then there is no need for willpower. If those that don't drink moderately need willpower in order to do so, then surely there is an underlying driver making them require that willpower in the first place?
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That is not a disease; that is willpower.
Same to an extend with fat people.
No. Willpower might be sufficient for an alcholic to restrict their intake - there are programs for this, and for some people it works. For others, they're able to restrict their intake, but feel miserable doing it. It's that feeling of misery that I would categorise as abnormal - and what I see as the disease component. An inability to drink normally.

C.S. Lewis wrote about such things. He said that if you've not got a problem with something, you've not got a problem, and can't comprehend other people having a problem in that area. You put it down to "willpower" or lack thereof. Not recognising that, but for the Grace of God/evolution/Social environment/genetics, there you go also.

However, I do not see addiction, regardless of whether it has a disease component or not, as obviating personal responsibility. "I'm addicted so you have to put up with me" is a load of balls.
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Is it a disease?
Is an addiction a disease?

I think addiction to alcohol is like drugs.
You can come off them if you believe that you have a problem and are determined and have the will power; nothing more.

Too many people can't handle living in the real world perhaps and this is their get out.
That betrays a rather simplistic view of will power.

Alcoholism and many other addictive behaviours probably have a genetic component which while they don't make it impossible for the sufferer to avoid or recover from the addiction, certainly make it much much more difficult.
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When you look at some of the shambling wrecks lingering around public places you may want to reconsider alcoholism not being a disease.
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No. Willpower might be sufficient for an alcholic to restrict their intake - there are programs for this, and for some people it works. For others, they're able to restrict their intake, but feel miserable doing it. It's that feeling of misery that I would categorise as abnormal - and what I see as the disease component. An inability to drink normally.
I love chocolate and have complete cravings for chocolate and feel miserable when I don't have a bar of chocolate.
However, I do not believe that I have a disease as a result of this.
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