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Old 09.10.2018, 14:30
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Yep, especially in the Linth plain before they channeled the Linth.
Likewise in the Magadino before they did the same with the Ticino.

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Old 09.10.2018, 14:32
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Re: Avoiding Vaccination?

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If you question religion, you are not accused of being anti-religious.
Here you're spot-on actually. Religion is a matter of subjective personal opinion and as such there's no universal truth. A christian and a muslim can debate till the end of days who is right and who is wrong as there is no universally accepted way to measure the effectiveness of the discourse. Vaccines are a matter of science and as such are a subject to constant scientific challenge. Up to now there's no SCIENTIFIC study that shows that vaccines are harmful; the only clique of people opposing vaccines are using types of discourse much more resembling a religions debate, not a scientific one. If you put your science hat on you'll dismiss your own arguments in an instant.
btw, your location says Vevey. In Vevey there's practically one large employer so if you happen to be working for them, check their official stance on vaccines.
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Old 09.10.2018, 14:44
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A christian and a muslim can debate till the end of days who is right and who is wrong as there is no universally accepted way to measure the effectiveness of the discourse.
Just as an aside... Once in a while, I get a real wake up call of how close beliefs are, such as this tripadvisor review that I read just before visiting St Lazarus' Church in Larnaca a few weeks ago...

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A true icon in the city of Larnaca. Must visit while being here. Lazaros the man whom Jesus resurrected by Allah’s permission has been buried here.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUser..._District.html
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Old 09.10.2018, 14:55
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Re: Avoiding Vaccination?

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'Sfunny. I used to be a passionate amateur historian, with an enormous interest in the Ottoman Empire from the 17th century to its demise. I still have tons of books and documents on the subject gathering dust in the library. I used to be able to talk for hours and hours on the decline of the Janissaries, the Tanzimat reforms, the Armenian massacres and Balkan nationalist movements, sometimes to actual people!

Had I met an actual scholar of Ottoman history, however, I'd have stfu and listened, because all the amateur research in the world will never touch proper academic rigour, the risk of a loss of reputation and the attention of an army of editors, not to mention attentive and eager rivals in the field.
In anti-vaxxer's case, "research" is hours spent scouring anti-vaccine sites looking for confirmation of already held beliefs.
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Old 09.10.2018, 15:52
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Just as an aside... Once in a while, I get a real wake up call of how close beliefs are, such as this tripadvisor review that I read just before visiting St Lazarus' Church in Larnaca a few weeks ago...

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUser..._District.html
People believe that someone called jesus resurrected somone called lazarus by getting the permission from someone not yet invented at the time of the action scene, so they probably invented the travel machine, got allah to approve the ressurection 300+ years before he was invented and then they probably destroyed the time machine. But these people don't believe in vaccines? We're on our way to self-destruction as a species and that's probably a good thing.
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Old 09.10.2018, 17:36
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Re: Avoiding Vaccination?

Antivaxxers are immune to both science and history. After all, where's smallpox? Regular polio outbreaks? High infant mortality due to "childhood diseases" like measles, mumps, rubella and pertussis?

Magically went away, or slowly, scientifically eradicated due to generations of vaccination?

Bah. I contracted pertussis (whooping cough) after a trip to Morocco - finding out the hard way that my grade cadre had a vulnerability when Canada switched from 2x to 3x boosters. Those in country were informed, but as I was in China at the time... whoops. Three months of violent coughing (to the point of vomiting, pulled muscles in the ribcage etc.) is crushing for an otherwise healthy and strong adult. Who would want such a thing for a child?

Anyway, the record is clear, both written in history books or graven in stone.

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Old 09.10.2018, 18:17
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Re: Avoiding Vaccination?

Do I read that correctly as them all dying from diphtheria?
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Do I read that correctly as them all dying from diphtheria?
You did.

Same as my Dad's sister as late as the 1940s.

This stuff is living memory.
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Old 09.10.2018, 20:04
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Re: Avoiding Vaccination?

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Same as my Dad's sister as late as the 1940s.

This stuff is living memory.
My mother had diphtheria as a child and she had very vivid memories of her time spent in the isolation hospital.
Based on what she said I wouldn wish it on my worst enemy.
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Old 09.10.2018, 20:07
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My mother had diphtheria as a child and she had very vivid memories of her time spent in the isolation hospital.
Based on what she said I wouldn wish it on my worst enemy.
Similar experience for my mum during the war. She made very sure we were always up to date with the jabs (and those of her grandchildren and friends )
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Old 09.10.2018, 20:25
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I was given the choice of BCG or not since it is obligatory at home as well, I just brought my kid's home vax calendar to justify and that was it. Your pediatrician can certainly offer it to you, order and administer. It is easy. At the end I didn't have my kid vaxed since he ordered at a manufacturer who at that time had a big problem in Europe with serious secondary side-effects. You can still have your kid vaxed later.
Hope all is up-to-date now.
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To all the anti vaxers on here, please have a good read of this. 42 dead of measles in a population of 200,000 because they stopped vaccinating their children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tbreak-worsens

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Old 10.12.2019, 13:26
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Re: Avoiding Vaccination?

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To all the anti vaxers on here, please have a good read of this. 42 dead of measles in a population of 200,000 because they stopped vaccinating their children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tbreak-worsens
Samoa measles epidemic death toll reaches 70 - 61 are children aged four or under
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Old 10.12.2019, 14:09
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Re: Avoiding Vaccination?

I was having a look back at this thread. From 2015:


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Donald Trump says vaccinations are causing an autism 'epidemic'

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Mmmm. A sample size of one. I think Mr Trump needs to go back to school to learn a bit more about statistics.
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Donald trump is harmless - unless he gets into power.
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@Tom1234 - Well, he's not inoffensive anymore....


Meantime, back home we have a stupid tv presenter who is using her access to media to spread anti-vaccination theories. How do you fight that? She can be quite persuasive and for sure has her audience, just like Trump.
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Re: Avoiding Vaccination?

Please don't avoid vaccination unless it is for an immune deficient circumstance...

I've had to deal with very personal negative circumstances due to anti-vaxers here in Switzerland regarding a child. I would not wish the consequences on anyone for completely preventable diseases...

The child I'm in relation to could not be vaccinated due to age and health concern.
Science is very clear and deaths/life long health concerns are still happening in 2020 from the side effects of pseudo science.
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