An Australian animal less dangerous than an overseas equivalent ? Never !

You guys got me all nervouse here. I love to take my kids out to play in the forest and they enjoy touching the goats, dogs, cats, ponies, horses and any animal they see on the way but now I am not so sure this is a good idea. I was waiting for the weather to get better so I can lose the extra pounds I got this winter with all the Raclet and fondue I ate. Imagine if my 19 months old kid gets one tick and I don't see it, specially if it is before his his 3 hour nap? I would never be able to see it or even find it. I heard of a spray that you can buy in the farmacy. Does it work??

True, thimerosol is a mecury compound BUT it is an organomecurial (natural not manmade) and was used in low concentrations ( 0.0000000125g per 1 liter) in vaccine preps. The concentrations used in the "scientific study" presented are way over any dose one would realistically expect to get exposed to AND represent elemental mecury (Hg) which is far more toxic that organomecurials.

All new vaccine preps have either very reduced amounts of this compound or none at all due to the public fears of its toxicity.

Careful about using "science" to back up arguments if you're not a scientist . Classic example of selective arguments of "fact" to fit the laymans beliefs.

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When you go out to the forest then just make sure you cover your childs head with a good hat, and wrap him up well in this weather thats the best advice i can give you the ticks cannot get through thick clothes i don`t think anyway. Then when you get home have a good look at your childs head the ticks are black so they should be easy to find (i hope so). Never heard of the spray i am going to the Doctors tomorrow i can ask for you.

Spray is Anti-Brummm

Red is very strong and supposed to help against ticks.
Purple is a lotion which is for sensitive skins (kids)

HTH

Thanks i have Anti-Brummm, and never realised you could use it for the ticks

Ticks don't crawl under the skin. They just bite so they can suck blood.

Anti-Brumm Forte is one of the best insect repellents here, it works for ticks, too (don't spray it on ticks once they have bitten).

For protection closed shoes and long trousers are effective, because the ticks wait in high grass and close to the soil.

It has already been mentioned that against the second most common tick disease there's a vaccine. The most common (Borreliosis) can only be caught if a tick stays undetected for 12 hours. A common symptom is redness or a red ring around the bite but.

Hi there,

My 2 year old son is attending day care (Kinderkrippe). Today when I went to pick him up there was a letter from the Minister of Health informing and warning about the current outburst of Measles in Switzerland:

In my son's Kinderkrippe, in the last 4 months there has been several cases of the following (I am getting the translations from Google):
- Schlarlach (Scarlatine Fever)
- Masern (Measles)
- Ringeröteln (couldn't find this one)
- Windpocken (Chicken Pox)

Anyhow, I remember chatting with my father about this (he is a Doctor), he was shocked and mentioned that some (cant remember which though) of these diseases are almost 'eradicated'.

Not taking his words for granted, I googled around for a while and read that in year 2005 the were 19 cases of Measles in America while 37332 in Europe. Comparing this in proportion of population I would say the difference is very big.

It seems that only 58% of the Swiss Population is vaccined against Measles for example, and is why its spreading so fast, and why there is a concern about it. I commented my findings with a Swiss guy at the office; to my surprise, he explained that vaccionation for several diseases in Switzerland is not typcial, like the case of Measles. When I asked him to elaborate why this? He proudly explained how much Swiss people avoid non-natural medicine ... huh ? I am wondering if this is another kind of 'shower once a week' kind of thing?

Comments?

My kids have had every vaccination so far as i do not want my kids to be at risk with these illnesses, i do know some swiss families that do not have the vaccinations they prefare natural medicine, because of this 1 little girl nearly died, and in the end she ended up in hospital for a very long time, and she will have to have regular hospital visits in the future. I for one would not like my kids to go to KG, or school with other children that have not had there vaccinations.

Shower once a week?

Scharlach, Roeteln and Masern are usually not vaccinated against, at least not when I was a kid.

I think he might have meant that if you get any of the above as a child, you're (naturally) vaccinated against any further outbreak. If I remember correctly especially Roeteln is dangerous when falling ill as an adult/when pregnant and doctors check if you have had it as a child.

Chicken pox is being vaccinated IIRC.

Could the ringer thingy be ringworm? I am sure that there are many people who would disagree with me, but our daughter has been vaccinated against everything we could. Birth brought hep b, tetanus, polio, TB and measles, as she got older she followed the Oman and Brit schedules, a move to thailand got her japanese encephalitis and rabies along with hep a. She hasn't shown any adverse reactions to anything - I was wavering with the MMR, but her paeditrician at the time reassured me (correctly as it seems) that the rise in autism didn't have any proven correlation with the introduction of that particular vaccine.
IMHO, if there is a way of stopping a disease, use it. Smallpox has been eradicated by the judicous use of a vaccine. Enough said.

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Vaccination in CH was widely discussed here:
http://www.englishforum.ch/family-ma...ccination.html

Natural medicine, something like: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/orego...210.xml&coll=7??

Sometimes I've got feeling that as civilisation advances people tend to get more stupid... It's like 13th century people using 21st century tools and still ignoring the progress that had been done in the 8 centuries...

[quote=Dani_SF;199258]Shower once a week?

Scharlach, Roeteln and Masern are usually not vaccinated against, at least not when I was a kid.

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You can't provide vaccination against scarlet fever (scharlach) - it's caused by a bacterial infection. It's treated with antibiotics.

My sister in-law is always getting pressure put on her by a Swiss friend not to treat her children with anything. One of her children had scarlet fever a couple of weeks ago. "I hope you're not giving him antibiotics !", was her friend's cry.
Luckily she was. My sister in law gets quite upset that her friend is putting this pressure on her. I would quite like to explain the other side of the argumen to her friend but I'm not allowed as it would be too confrontational.

That's a mistranslation from your link. The actual vaccination rate is in the eighties but this is still too low.

For my opinion on the subject, you can follow Nev's link... If I was in the shoes of Tom1234's sister in law I'd not tolerate this pressure. I acknowledge that people sometimes wrongly use antibiotics (for viral diseases, or they stop taking them as soon as the symptoms are gone). But the benefits of antibiotics are huge.

That’s a cracker! I think someone was pulling your leg when they told you this one.

As for the vaccinations, we had our little fella vaccinated for the “biggies” but not for stuff like chicken pox. Yes, I know there are cases cited on scary websites with all the gruesome instances of chicken pox gone wild and daft but two separate doctors have now told me (one Swiss and one UK) that even if you have the vaccination it doesn’t protect 100%. You can still get it, albeit a bit milder. I got chicken pox when I was 8 and felt crap and spotty for a couple of weeks but emerged none the worse for it.

Now, if someone would invent a blanket vaccine for the common cold, I might just indulge. Anything is better than constantly wiping my nose and feeling like someone has filled my head with cotton wool.

Tempo and Neo Citran shares have now gone through the roof…

There was quite a debate on TV recently concerning whether or not to vaccinate kids against measles. The pro (from doctor at the Inselspital in Berne) was VACCINATE - it's safe, easy, and avoids problems at a later stage in life. The contra (from a homeopathic paediatrician) was - DON'T VACCINATE - the best protection is if kids get measles at an early age and thus build up a natural resistance.
There's quite a measles "epidemic" doing the rounds at the moment, because too many parents haven't vaccinated in the past 10 years, believing that the disease had been eradicated. Not so!
I personally don't have children, but if I did, I would....

She can just about put up with the pressure from her friend as her sister (my wife) is a biologist and has a firm stance on what really works.

I lived in Britain until a few years ago and I was given the BCG (against tuberculosis) at school. I was extremely surprised to find that neither that nor the MMR vaccine are that common... apparently you only get vaccinated against tuberculosis if you travel to a third world country. It's not a question of preferring 'natural' treatment so much as that most doctors don't consider it necessary.

(by the way Röteln is Rubella)

Kayser Soze thank you for your post.

I started wavering on the MMR vaccine just a couple of days ago when the anti-vaccination rabble actually got to me with the autism card. Now that I know that rubella and measles DO make the rounds here, I am definitely vaccinating.

Don't care too much about chicken pox. Also ghosts from my micro class are reminding me that the BCG does not confer immunity for TB. I had it done but it is not commonly done in the US.