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"The strange science of female pleasure"

This is really interesting...

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Reprodu...ry?id=10639464

(And I hope it doesn't get deleted for inappropriate content)... This really falls into the social perception of: if you think there is something wrong with you, convince a doctor (or perhaps just go to a doctor) and there is a drug that will make it all better. Instead of the reality, which is: taking meds when there is not something physically wrong with you can (and most likely will) do more harm. Plus, don't people ever believe that the pharmaceutical company is just trying to make a buck by inventing drugs when there is not an actual, physical malady to treat?

It is about time someone started battling against unnecessary medicating...

And specifically in reference to this story, especially when us women know it is so much more than that.
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Old 17.05.2010, 15:40
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Re: "The strange science of female pleasure"

i happen to know the secret weapon ...............and i use it liberally............Galaxy chocolate eggs.
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I'd just like to point out that Viagra can be used to help jet-lagged hamsters recover faster.



Not a lot of people (or hamsters) know that.
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Re: "The strange science of female pleasure"

I'm just reading "Bad Science" by Ben Goldacre - a medical doctor. He points out that before the 1930s, doctors really couldn't do much. Then there were huge advances in medicine, including pharmaceuticals. That lasted until about 1990s. Now there's not so much scope to find new drugs for existing, common problems. So it's up to the pharma industry to invent new problems that need medication.

Of course people would rather take a pill than change their lifestyle, so they can hardly complain when the pharma industry takes advantage of that fact.
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Of course people would rather take a pill than change their lifestyle, so they can hardly complain when the pharma industry takes advantage of that fact.
I totally 100% agree with this statement. But in certain situations, a lifestyle change is not even necessary. And shame on the pharmaceutical companies for virulently advertising drugs that are not even medically necessary for the vast majority of the population.

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Old 17.05.2010, 18:01
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I totally 100% agree with this statement. But in certain situations, a lifestyle change is not even necessary. And shame on the pharmaceutical companies for virulently advertising drugs that are not even necessary for the vast majority of the population.
Err... I assume you're referring to the US, as direct-to-consumer advertising of prescription products is illegal in Europe and CH (although I'm not sure about the CH thing).

EDIT: I would add that people seem to need a label. ADHD is a classic example, where people want to blame everything except their badly behaved child. Similarly medical doctors - especially the type who prescribe antibiotics for viral infections - also need to shoulder some of the responsibility instead of simply blaming the pharma industry.
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Err... I assume you're referring to the US, as direct-to-consumer advertising of prescription products is illegal in Europe and CH (although I'm not sure about the CH thing).
You are right. And I am also not sure about how things are advertised here. I don't watch "Swiss" television.

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EDIT: I would add that people seem to need a label. ADHD is a classic example, where people want to blame everything except their badly behaved child. Similarly medical doctors - especially the type who prescribe antibiotics for viral infections - also need to shoulder some of the responsibility instead of simply blaming the pharma industry.
Lets not forget that parents also shoulder some of the responsibility for their ill-behaved children... And I agree, doctors are just as much responsible for over-medicating as the pharmaceutical companies. Especially because a lot of times, they get a 'cut' for prescribing certain drugs. They are all in bed together really.
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EDIT: I would add that people seem to need a label. ADHD is a classic example, where people want to blame everything except their badly behaved child. Similarly medical doctors - especially the type who prescribe antibiotics for viral infections - also need to shoulder some of the responsibility instead of simply blaming the pharma industry


I,m assuming you have a child that may or according to you is not ADHD ???
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If I was Big Pharma, I'd produce a compound that would make people take
responsibility for their own lives and decisions; something that would stop
them blaming Big Pharma, Doctors, Uncle Tom Cobley and all for their
hypochondriac tendencies.
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... ADHD is a classic example, where people want to blame everything except their badly behaved child...
Oh come on Carlos - that's a bit OTT. It's not the child's fault... it's the parents' for not knowing how to discipline! I do wonder how many kids diagnosed with ADHD, who really do have problems, have got into that state because of bad parenting. At this point I should say that there are children with wonderful parents that have behavioural problems. So before you flame me - consider yourself on of the latter, not the former.

My favourite ailment, when I worked with very young children, was "separation anxiety". My observation was that the vast majority of the time, it was the parent who suffered from it - not the kid.
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I'm just reading "Bad Science" by Ben Goldacre - a medical doctor. He points out that before the 1930s, doctors really couldn't do much. Then there were huge advances in medicine, including pharmaceuticals. That lasted until about 1990s. Now there's not so much scope to find new drugs for existing, common problems. So it's up to the pharma industry to invent new problems that need medication.

Of course people would rather take a pill than change their lifestyle, so they can hardly complain when the pharma industry takes advantage of that fact.
For example Ritalin was invented before there was a use for it. The wife of the inventor (whose name was Rita) found she played much better tennis after taking a dose of Ritalin and after trials discovered that Ritalin could be used to better manage hyperactive ADHS children. Hence a whole generation of ADHS children have grown up as Ritalin children. If it really solves the underlying problem? Doubtful.
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Re: "The strange science of female pleasure"

The food and mood handbook, mentions an experiment reducing inmates' sugar intake and measuring significant decrease in violence within the jail. I wonder if that would work on ADHD kids
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Strange science eh ?
not really.. just the right person and take it from there
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i happen to know the secret weapon ...............and i use it liberally............Galaxy chocolate eggs.
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The food and mood handbook, mentions an experiment reducing inmates' sugar intake and measuring significant decrease in violence within the jail. I wonder if that would work on ADHD kids
Not surprising. Most parents can spot the difference in behaviour when their kids are all sugared up.
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Hence a whole generation of ADHS children have grown up as Ritalin children. If it really solves the underlying problem? Doubtful.
Of course it doesn't solve the problem. Kids (and adults) with ADD/ADHD have to learn different strategies to focus and to control impulsive behaviors. Attention deficit issues often have more to do with regulation of impulse and emotion than attention. Ritalin can help with focus, but it doesn't help everyone.

In the US at least, insurers are also responsible for the proliferation of drugs. An insurer will reimburse for meds, but won't pay for therapies which can help develop better coping skills. So it's not just parents and doctors, it's the organizations holding the purse strings.

THis has nothing to do with female pleasure, of course.
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No. Tried it.
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Oh come on Carlos - that's a bit OTT. It's not the child's fault... it's the parents' for not knowing how to discipline! I do wonder how many kids diagnosed with ADHD, who really do have problems, have got into that state because of bad parenting.
Sorry, you are both absolutely right - I didn't express myself clearly/fully.

Bad child is often a result of bad parenting technique. As you say, there are exceptions and ADHD is really a cause of problems in some cases. My example was just to highlight that people look to other excuses for a badly behaved children. I didn't comment on what the real cause might be - hope that clears it up.

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My favourite ailment, when I worked with very young children, was "separation anxiety". My observation was that the vast majority of the time, it was the parent who suffered from it - not the kid.
Quite. Children are survivors, classic example is first days/weeks at nursery/kindergarten etc. Tears and tantrums all round until the parent actually walks out the door, then... "where's my favourite toy...".

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I'm assuming you have a child that may or according to you is not ADHD ???
Of course not, my children are the perfect model of how children should be

Really, my children are "normal": heavenly on most days, hell on some.

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Especially because a lot of times, they get a 'cut' for prescribing certain drugs. They are all in bed together really.
Whoa! Hold it there - that's illegal in Europe and you could be struck off for such behaviour (if caught!).

I was at a pharma-sponsored meeting just recently and was discussing this with an expert in his area. He mentioned that rates of compensation for time working with pharma companies were well below their normal rates and what they might expect for working on a legal case (for example).

Under current regulations (usually ABPI code of practice as this is the most stringent in Europe so has become the "default" for Europe-wide activities) the best you can hope for from pharma companies is a mug and a pen, unless you are actively in a consulting role with a company (where remuneration is stipulated).

Anything else is pretty much illegal.
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unless you are actively in a consulting role with a company (where remuneration is stipulated).
How many doctors do you think are not in an 'active' consulting role when they know the benefit of being in one?

Regardless of that though, it doesn't change the fact that the world is over-medicated. And it is kinda interesting for me personally because I was on a few things for various reasons when I was in the US and had been on them for years (probably close to 10). But because I don't want to go to the doctor here and shell out my deductible, I have now been off all prescribed drugs for over 6 months. And I feel great. The reasons I was prescribed these drugs were for 'real', researched, diagnosed physical ailments (or so we thought). Did they cure themselves or did I just not really need them in the first place? Who knows really... I do believe there is a placebo effect associated with the medical profession and medicines in general. I am not making judgments about anyone or any specific ailments; I know there are real, tried and true, physical problems out there. It is just good food for thought to potentially re-evaluate the drugs you take, and why you actually put them in your body.
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How many doctors do you think are not in an 'active' consulting role when they know the benefit of being in one?
As a percentage of all doctors in all specialities? Not many. One will normally see a GP for everyday prescriptions. In my time in med coms (12+ years), I've only once ever worked with a GP who was in such a consulting role.

But I agree with you that overmedication and reliance on a "pill" to solve all one's problem is a common phenomenon.

I'm sorry if I seem "aggressively" defensive, but I'm tired of people throwing the baby out with the bathwater when talking about the pharma industry. I'm the first to admit not everything is squeaky clean, but it comes under an awful lot of scrutiny and people are generally all too eager to blame it for all problems, which I think is grossly unjust.
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