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Ranking of Swiss doctors.

I found a website with a list of Swiss doctors http://www.doktor.ch/allgemeinaerzte/, but there are no comments of patients of how happy they are. I would appreciate if someone knows a website where Swiss doctors are somehow evaluated based on their performance. Something like comparis.ch for financial issues. Thanks.
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I found a website with a list of Swiss doctors http://www.doktor.ch/allgemeinaerzte/, but there are no comments of patients of how happy they are. I would appreciate if someone knows a website where Swiss doctors are somehow evaluated based on their performance. Something like comparis.ch for financial issues. Thanks.
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Re: Ranking of Swiss doctors.

I don't mind ranking when the criterias are given with it. But my best friend's favourite doctor is an azzhole. My friends' friends are not always my friends.

If the ranking is about proven medical mistakes, then the criterias are objectives in a juridical sense. Better than nothing. Otherwise, "GP's performance" sounds a dodgy concept to me.
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Re: Ranking of Swiss doctors.

I am sure there is no rating of doctors anywhere in Europe!

Can you imagine rich doctors employing rich lawyers to sue poor people like me, writing that my Doctor is crap? Easy money!

The health insurance companies will also not advise you which is the best. Maybe if nobody is listening, an insurance employee will give you a personal recommendation.

The work done by doctors is valued using their points system Tarmed, so a 15 minute interview might be 15 points. An injection by a nurse maybe 7 points. An X-Ray (Using the film and the expensive equipment) might be 43 points, etc etc.

The amount the doctors can claim for each point depends on their qualities, junior or senior, regular or specialist.

In Switzerland most health insurance companies will charge you a lower rate if you use the HMO or group medical practices. You should ask your health company which ones they use. The HMO rates are kept low by only charging the higher rates for specialist work, when done by specialist doctors.

Thus if you go to a rheumatoid specialist for a bad cough, he can charge you a lot more than if you went to a general practitioner. So the HMO practices charge less, and you get to keep some of the savings.

When using www.comparis.ch there are several options for Insurance, Versicherungsmodelle Standard Hausarzt HMO Telmed
With Visana you can choose HMO straight away and see the benefits quickly, in my case CHF 89,20 per month! (CHF 446.40 minus CHF 357.20)

So this doctor would charge normal rates,

Dr. med. médecin généraliste
Route de Chavannes 211, 1000 Lausanne.

and this doctor the higher specialist rates,

Dr. med. spéc. FMH en médecine interne,
infectiologie et médecine tropicale
Avenue de Rumine 9, 1005 Lausanne

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Re: Ranking of Swiss doctors.

In general, I am not happy with privat doctors here in Switzerland (German part). I have feeling they don't really pay enough attention to your problem and trying to get rid of you as quick as possible, and to take next patient. Which is probably true, as the more patients per day they would get, the more money they will earn. Therefore the quality of the service is not good. But of course, there are probably exceptions and there are good and competent doctors too. Just in my experience, 4 out of 5 doctors were not so good as I would have expect... As example I have experienced twice when the private doctor stated wrong diagnose and as a result gave wrong treatment.
On the other hand I was far more happy with Universitet Spital Zürich, Kantonspital Zug and Kinderspital Luzern. I had feeling the doctors are more experienced, answer all question and the treatments were always effective.
I would not recommend those doctors in Zug: Dermatolog Dr. Urs Hasse, Augenarzt Dr. Beat Weber (my personal experience with wrong diagnose/treatment).
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Re: Ranking of Swiss doctors.

How can you lynch people in public like that? They made wrong diagnoses AND helped many people with wonderful spot on treatments, like any other doctor. The doctor who helped be the most ever, did not get it right the first time either.
If you have a case, get a lawyer and do the right thing.

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How can you lynch people in public like that? They made wrong diagnoses AND helped many people with wonderful spot on treatments, like any other doctor.
This is the major criticism of league tables (as far as I could see the link in the OP is just a listing of Drs and not ranking as such) which have been an ongoing discussion in the NHS.

The problem is that the best doctors - especially surgeons - will attract the worst and most difficult cases, and will then also be more likely to use experimental techniques (and I don't mean this in a negative way). This tripple whammy means that the best doctors could actually end up with the worst rankings.

As per the first reply, any advice about good/bad doctors is going to be from word of mouth and personal experiences - which as ever will vary depending on personal preference.
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Re: Ranking of Swiss doctors.

I told you that your best source is EF. See how many good replies you have received??? And more coming
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Re: Ranking of Swiss doctors.

For the sake of balance I have been taking my son to Dr Weber for several years and have nothing but praise for him.

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For the sake of balance I have been taking my son to Dr Weber for several years and have nothing but praise for him.
What I said is from my personal experience. There are good and bad people. Obviously it can be same with doctors. It is very individually. Again, it was my personal opinion.

I am very disappointed when a doctor can not see the simple things (in both cases it was really obvious for qualified doctor). And when a doctor asks me: Do you want antibiotics or not? I think it's a doctor who should answer this question. However, after treatment with antibiotics (from doctors prescription) my problem was not solved. I tried anti allergy drops which you can get in pharmacy without prescription and Oh miracle! it worked! I can not trust a doctor who can not define virus from allergy.
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I... As example I have experienced twice when the private doctor stated wrong diagnose and as a result gave wrong treatment.
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Favourite criticism of mine in general practice. Doctors are not very good at diagnosis (many examples). Now if the Chinese and Ayurverdic methods of diagnosis using eyes, tongue and pulse were included in the training of Western Doctors I'm sure there would be a lot less dissatisfaction and a lot less money wasted by giving wrong treatments and causing patients to run from doctor to doctor in search of an accurate diagnosis and effective treatment.
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I can not trust a doctor who can not define virus from allergy.
Funny enough, it was one of the questions in Dr. House episode I saw couple of days ago. Don't trust Dr. House

Go by your gutt feeling but do not present it as incompetence. We all agree that you were telling about your two experiences, so let us all keep it clearly like it in the wording... unlike your other message.
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Re: Ranking of Swiss doctors.

If patients going to a doctor for advice and help are anything like folk on here asking for advice and help, it's no wonder the diagnosis isn't always correct.

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Re: Ranking of Swiss doctors.

I have such a good experience with doctors here! Quite the opposite of your experience.

They take their time, explain everything you need to know or want to know.

My GP is very open mind and will listen my opinions and ideas. Of course he takes is time, he charges for that time. But he use this time wisely and go deep into the problem.

My dermatologist is also very good, but what a smart ass. I don't like him for that. This is a very common attitude with doctors, you just have to keep looking until you find one who will fit with you!

By the way, I do my homework before I go to see a doctor. Nowadays we have the internet and all the info we want at 1 click away. So I do look around and search. When I see my doctor, I can tell him what I think, what I found and I can give him a better ideas of my general wellness including symptomes, etc.
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Re: Ranking of Swiss doctors.

Weird, I've never come across a ranking table for doctors in my life and I hope there isnt one.

Whilst there are rogue practitioners out there, generally all the doctors I've come across (especially here in Switzerland), have been nothing but professional and highly competant. All it takes is for one unhappy patient to give him a bad review and his / her years of hard work in medical school - people form opinions, stay away and the practice is down the drain.
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Re: Ranking of Swiss doctors.

If there was a ranking of physicians by patients, then there should be a ranking of patients by physicians. Can you see where that would leave some of us?
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great website thanks!

EDIT: The info is NOT up to date, like addresses and phone numbers, just in case someone wants to make an appointment using the website...sorry had to say it
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By the way, I do my homework before I go to see a doctor. Nowadays we have the internet and all the info we want at 1 click away. So I do look around and search. When I see my doctor, I can tell him what I think, what I found and I can give him a better ideas of my general wellness including symptomes, etc.
Well done!!! I used to do it as well.

By the way, I know several people (also Swiss) who are not happy with doctors. Maybe it's really bad luck...maybe not...

Wish good health everyone!
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Ranking of Swiss doctors.

Swiss doctor bashing is becoming frequent on these expat sites and I start to wonder whether there is a motive for it.

Swiss doctors are fantastic IMHO. Never had a bad one (decades here), they treat me and my kids with respect and listen to all of us, don't over prescribe, offer sensible choices etc . If you have any doubts about your doctor just go to another. A GP here is very highly qualified. If you don't like his or her personality then choose another one. Don't bash them all as a result. The training, their access to technology, the availability of drugs ....

Best medical system in the world - personal opinion, based on much illness in family, and timely life saving diagnosis and treatment. Best place in world to have a baby too.

My ranking of the various systems that I know:
1. CH
2. Aust
3. UK
4. USA due to complexity in getting the necessary tests and waiting periods, and legal stuff. I prefer a one stop shop where the doc can do blood work, x rays, ultrasound, EKG ... everything without sending you elsewhere or making you wait weeks. Regardless of whether you are private or not. Which is what you get here, even Allgemein (basic) insured people, which is the lowest and cheapest level of insurance (there is no such thing as "not insured" here, which is the unfortunate case for many in the USA.)

And if you're not getting that? Then change doctors, because that is what you can and should be getting here.

I wonder if the bad experiences were due to communication problems? Most speak great English ...many did part of their training abroad ... If not yours then switch. You need to be able to explain your symptoms. I cannot think, let alone speak German when I'm ill. ( or getting my hair done ...).

Ranking doctors is absurd.

They're all good. Try one.
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By the way, I know several people (also Swiss) who are not happy with doctors. Maybe it's really bad luck...maybe not...
Why don't such people just go to another doctor?

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