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Re: C-Section on request

I am looking at all my options now.

I was so traumatised and in pain for so long after my daughter's birth that I didn't want to have a second one. When I decided to go for s second one, I was thinking of my daughter, not myself. But now, I think about me and yep, I am scared.

I sadly can't expect much support from my Gyne. She is the type that everything is good, all went nice. She wasn't there.

Someone gave me a name of a Doula who can work with me on my fears during the pregnancy. I will see how it goes.

I have no interest to stuck at home in pain, not able to pick up my baby, to sit of go to the loo for an other 10 weeks. I have friends who went out and about after a week or so from a C-Section.

Now, I'll go natural. I'll see how a Doula will help me and Insallah I'll get a good and natural delivery. But I keep the door open to change my mind.

For the stretch marks, I didn't have them with the first. I am using a pretty good oil and I am pretty sure I'll be lucky this time too.
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And that deserve a groan because......?
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And that deserve a groan because......?
probably just jealous you didn't get stretch marks!

But I think you are thinking in the right direction. See what you can do, but keep your options open. Again, the 2nd one is usually much easier then the first and pain killing helps. But at the other hand. If it is really necessary, get yourself a c-section, cause getting a trauma at child birth is not good, and being too anxious can also give problems in getting "open" (don;t know the word). With me, the moment the pain was bearable and I could relax in between contractions I went from 3 until 10 cm in 20 minutes.

When you see no option other then c section for yourself, you won;t care if recovering takes a little longer. If you do it because you think it is just easier, you might get disappointed afterwards. It is all about expectations.
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hopefully an iPhone reading error... no idea why it would need a groan
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Sorry Nil!

I didn't even know I groaned you, I must have accidentally touched the trackpad while I had that page open?

I've removed the groan, and I do wish you all the best with the pregnancy and delivery. I think you have very solid reasons for considering an elective C-section, and that you are a brave woman for talking about this instead of internalizing your concerns.

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Sorry Nil!

I didn't even know I groaned you, I must have accidentally touched the trackpad while I had that page open?

I've removed the groan, and I do wish you all the best with the pregnancy and delivery. I think you have very solid reasons for considering an elective C-section, and that you are a brave woman for talking about this instead of internalizing your concerns.

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For a moment I thought like Maximum that was my non-stretch marks deserved me a groan...
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Re: C-Section on request

This has been a very interesting thread, also because it shows how polarized society is on the matter, however this kind of discussion will go on until humans get the hang of conceiving in a kitchen mixer coming to term in a fermentation vat and delivering by shovel.
What I miss however is the devil´s advocate.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that children delivered by C-section are more prone to illness then the kids who come sliding down the chute.
Anybody any thoughts about that?
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Re: C-Section on request

A lovely old swiss lady has just been chatting to me on the train, she was first telling me off for running for the train carrying heavy bags in my condition

She told me to savour every minute of the labour, to breathe, relax and enjoy and to feel everything, she said both her labours were short around 30 to 45 mins, she said it was the most wonderful experience and to do skin to skin instantly. I didn't even ask if she'd had pain relief as she was of an age where it was unlikely available - but i must say she made me smile and look forward to it all.
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A lovely old swiss lady has just been chatting to me on the train, she was first telling me off for running for the train carrying heavy bags in my condition

She told me to savour every minute of the labour, to breathe, relax and enjoy and to feel everything, she said both her labours were short around 30 to 45 mins, she said it was the most wonderful experience and to do skin to skin instantly. I didn't even ask if she'd had pain relief as she was of an age where it was unlikely available - but i must say she made me smile and look forward to it all.

I had the same piece of advice from my mom. She was delivering her babies in the room of 20 other screaming women. She said she did all to concentrate on her miracles, each time she put ear-plugs in her ears to live through it properly and told incompetent staff off, there were no doulas and shamans back then. If I knew my delivery was going to be sabotaged I would have booked help, any help, doulas, etc.. There is nothing else in the world to compare to it. I would never run away from that experience.

It is true your body knows you did a short cut in the delivery if you opt for c-sec, your hormones aren't as quick, they remind you laters, c-sec moms are a lot more likely to go through serious baby blues as well, your postpartum recovery and all the functions aren't as efficient, for a lot of c-sec moms. It does not have to happen, sure. Delivery is a special moment, I would not exchange it for comfort or give in my fears.
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Old 16.10.2010, 19:25
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Childbirth is a natural function. Millions of women undergo it. Did our mothers and grandmothers demand a surgical delivery? Pre-natal care is essential both for mother and baby, and can prevent possible complications at delivery.
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This has been a very interesting thread, also because it shows how polarized society is on the matter, however this kind of discussion will go on until humans get the hang of conceiving in a kitchen mixer coming to term in a fermentation vat and delivering by shovel.
What I miss however is the devil´s advocate.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that children delivered by C-section are more prone to illness then the kids who come sliding down the chute.
Anybody any thoughts about that?
There's been some suggestion that C-section babies are more likely to have asthma and allergies later on, but a causal relationship has not been established. Not even sure that an association has been definitively established.

There was also a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences this summer. Bacteria found on newborns in vaginal birth and c-section seems to suggest that the bacteria on vaginal birth babies seems to contain more beneficial bacterias. But they'll have to follow the babies over time and see how that relates to health. Here's a link to a story about it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=128147405
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A CS doesn't preclude skin to skin contact immediately post birth. Both my children were delivered via elective CS in the UK and I was able to have the screen down and watch them lifted out of me and they were then placed directly onto my chest. The staff asked if I was happy for them to take them away and weigh them and dress them and my husband went along too.

Breastfeeding went well, although I do think the milk comes in later (day 5 for me) than when labour has been experienced. I went home after 2 nights in hospital and was driving after 2 weeks. Also no significant baby blues or ill children. A planned CS with a 'good' surgeon doesn't necessarily mean all doom and gloom and long recovery.

There are lots of websites about with good info on what you can do to improve a CS if that is the route you choose or end up with. This one has lots of good info, although is UK based so maybe not so useful in CH http://www.caesarean.org.uk/

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Re: C-Section on request

Just wanted to chime in and say that I had quite a few complications with my first birth (retained placenta, broken tailbone, issues with milk coming in), grazing...and a screaming baby...who continued to scream and vomit all the way to 14 months old...

Second one, no complications, I could have walked out of the hospital within a couple of hours, and he was a 'textbook' baby...he'd even go to sleep on the floor on a mat while I went to the kitchen to do a bit of washing up or something

So, hope is the same for you - but I do recommend talking through your first experience with some supportive experienced mums or a doula or midwife because fear really does work against the process...and there are lots of things which happen that are 'out of control' and I know that for me was a difficult thing to accept...

I planned for a hospital-supported homebirth/waterbirth for our third child. A rare thing in Australia. It was a million times better than a hospital / epidural / medicated/ induced/ monitored/controlled labour, but overall, it was actually 'not a big deal' - although bubs #3 was 4.7kg, there were no complications...
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Re: C-Section on request

I had a c-section 2 weeks ago and am up and running and have been so since the removed the stitches 5 days after the op. I had the same experience 2 years ago with my first child.

1st one was an emergency c-section done after putting me to sleep, for the second one, I chose a planned c-section with an epidural. It was not a pleasant experience, but at least it was over fairly quickly.
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I'll go natural. I'll see how a Doula will help me and Insallah I'll get a good and natural delivery. But I keep the door open to change my mind.

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Well, every day you learn something new. Had never heard of a Doula until your above post and looked it up....

Would be interested to know about your experiences with the Doula and hope you will keep us informed. Thanks
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It is true your body knows you did a short cut in the delivery if you opt for c-sec, your hormones aren't as quick, they remind you laters, c-sec moms are a lot more likely to go through serious baby blues as well, your postpartum recovery and all the functions aren't as efficient, for a lot of c-sec moms.
This is true.
But if a C section is necessary it is a must.

It is possible that if you Nil are very petite you could have suffered more than other women and your fear is very justified. Nevertheless it's also possible that this second one will be easier than the first.

I would not opt for an elective C section. It does remain a major operation and in my honest opinion should only be used for a medical reason. It is perhaps your case if you have a very large baby and you have a slight build.

Good operation, brilliant surgeon, saved my life and my child's life both in extremis at 8 months of pregnancy.
I was up and about quickly and my "baby" is a teenager now .

But I also suffered a post-op issue that did create problems. No fun, lots of pain for years. So unless you really have to, try to stick to normal childbirth (without pain of course, there is no glory in feeling pain, you're having a baby, not winning a medal at the olympics).
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I had planned and prepared for natural birth, but it wasn't to be and I ended up with a c-section after 24hrs of labour.

This was my worst case scenario (bar of course something happening to the baby) - I was absolutely petrified of having a c-section, having a close friend here who still suffers debilitating pain in her abdomen almost 5 years after hers, as yet untreatable. My c-section was not an emergency scenario so was relatively calm, except for the exhausted, upset state I was in. All the midwives and doctors were wonderful, I did have an overwhelming feeling of being in good hands. But it is nevertheless not an experience I would choose to repeat!

My comments on my experience:

We had skin-to-skin contact as soon as was possible (within 5-10 minutes), and also breastfeeding went like a breeze.

Despite taking all the meds on offer and following the recommended 'get up and walk as soon as possible', I found the first 3 days excrutiatingly painful, the worst point was collapsing in the shower from the burning pain as I just couldn't bear standing up anymore.

It sucked big time not being able to lift my own child, or care for him, change his nappy etc... this I felt hardest at night, having to call the night nurse. (But it did give Daddy some extra special responsibilities and bonding time during the day.) I left hospital after 4 days for this reason, I just wanted to be home and not having to call the night nurses, feeling tearful and helpless. I slept with baby in bed with me - I believe that constant close contact also contributed to my milk coming in like Niagara Falls and breastfeeding going as well as it did.

I also struggled with my feelings of disappointment etc. about not being able to deliver normally (that is a different topic all of its own), but I assume this would not be the case having an elective section as you would be mentally prepared for it! I expect not going through the exhaustion of labour beforehand would also make a massive difference to the recovery and state of mind.

For a while I felt somehow disconnected - like they had just taken a random baby out of a cupboard and handed it to me - I attribute this to not actually seeing him being born - I heard him cry, then he was rushed briefly past my face. For that reason, if I were to have another c-section I would request the screen be lowered so I could see the baby being lifted as it's born, as mentioned by a previous poster. Maybe this is something for you to consider asking for if you're not too squeamish!

Personally I would only have a c-section if it were medically necessary, many reasons for which have already been discussed at length in this thread. But then I haven't experienced a traumatic vaginal birth, so who am I to judge what you choose to do? Nil (and friend) - fair play to you openly exploring and informing yourself of your options and I hope you make the right decision for you and your baby and wish you the very best of luck
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Hi Nil,
I had my second child 5 months ago and both were natural births.
Firstly I hope all goes well for you!!
my first labour was 15 hours and my second around about the same. I am a big fan of an epidural ;-) (PDA)
I am very petit and both my boys were born huge!!
first 4kg second 4.5kg!!
I almost fell off the bed when they weighed him!
While in hospital I spoke with alot of other mothers who had C section and they all regretted it. The pain I suffered was not really that bad with a natural (maybe because I had the PDA) It was just exhausting and tiring.
After a couple of days I was feeling fine, apart from the aftermath of what you expect after the delivery (Im sure you know what I mean)
My experience was that the second birth was a lot easier than the first. Since the first was a natural, The canal was already opened and torn apart by the first birth so baby number 2 came out with a breeze.
I hope you go for a natural, only because there are so many risks with a C section. Its a major operation, they cut right through your muscel and tear it apart. Also many women can get infections with the open wound and end up back in hospital, having to have injections trice a day with anti biotics.
I was more scared with the second birth because I already knew what was coming. Now its all over, baby factory is closed and I dont have to think about having another baby again, and I have already forgotten about the pain I went through.
Just as info, my sister in law asked for a C section for both kids and got it. that was at Spital Uster. If you really want it, then just be pushy and say that you want it and thats it!
Good Luck!
(PS not fair that you dont have stretch marks!!!!!)
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hello (and merhaba),
I gave birth in June in Lausanne and my doctor left the decision on the type of the delivery to me. She just explained all the pros/cons and the decision was mine and I ended with c-section.
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Hi Nil,
I had my second child 5 months ago and both were natural births.
Firstly I hope all goes well for you!!
my first labour was 15 hours and my second around about the same. I am a big fan of an epidural ;-) (PDA)
I am very petit and both my boys were born huge!!
first 4kg second 4.5kg!!
I almost fell off the bed when they weighed him!
While in hospital I spoke with alot of other mothers who had C section and they all regretted it. The pain I suffered was not really that bad with a natural (maybe because I had the PDA) It was just exhausting and tiring.
After a couple of days I was feeling fine, apart from the aftermath of what you expect after the delivery (Im sure you know what I mean)
My experience was that the second birth was a lot easier than the first. Since the first was a natural, The canal was already opened and torn apart by the first birth so baby number 2 came out with a breeze.
I hope you go for a natural, only because there are so many risks with a C section. Its a major operation, they cut right through your muscel and tear it apart. Also many women can get infections with the open wound and end up back in hospital, having to have injections trice a day with anti biotics.
I was more scared with the second birth because I already knew what was coming. Now its all over, baby factory is closed and I dont have to think about having another baby again, and I have already forgotten about the pain I went through.
Just as info, my sister in law asked for a C section for both kids and got it. that was at Spital Uster. If you really want it, then just be pushy and say that you want it and thats it!
Good Luck!
(PS not fair that you dont have stretch marks!!!!!)
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. I hear that they don't cut the muscles anymore but pull them aside to reach the baby. Much better on the recovery.

And for the stretch marks, apparently you may be lucky the first time but not necessary the second? Finger crossed!

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I gave birth in June in Lausanne and my doctor left the decision on the type of the delivery to me. She just explained all the pros/cons and the decision was mine and I ended with c-section.
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