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Old 20.09.2010, 10:57
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A friend of mine is looking for a company that can test her DNA and report on her racial origins, e.g. Russian, Spanish etc.

Does anybody have any reccommendations please?
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Old 20.09.2010, 11:26
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It might be an ideas to contact the relevant research group at a University involved in this sort of research, I was aware of a few Universities in England conducting genetic back-ground studies from peoples cheek swabs. Although it is probably important to point out that the idea of 'race' and 'racial types' was discredited about 150 years ago along with the phrenology and social Darwinism. 'Race' indicates speciation of homosapiens, which has never happened, we all share the same origins it is just a matter of how much contact the specific geographic group has had with other geographic groups of humans.
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Old 20.09.2010, 11:37
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I'd check here:

http://www.healthanddna.com/ancestry...a-testing.html

(these folk seem to deal with clients all over the world)

or here

http://dnatestindex.com/services/ethnicity/

Note that any analysis of ethnicity or background is going to be probabilistic in nature, but still could be interesting and useful. A lot of it is based on known migration patterns and ethnic differences based on specific genetic markers, you can associate a person with one ethnicity or the other. From your request, I thought it was more an issue of ethnic background rather than race.

She might also look into personalized medicine, e.g.,
http://www.personalizedmedicinecoalition.org/

A relatively new area, uses an individual's specific DNA sequence (genome) to infer risk and provide information about health... an outgrowth of the relatively new field of Genomics
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Remember to have it framed after you finish...

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A friend of mine is looking for a company that can test her DNA and report on her racial origins, e.g. Russian, Spanish etc.

Does anybody have any recommendations please?
It would be easier and cheaper for you to just post photo of her on here.

We can then all be extremely judgemental and take a wild stab at her racial origins.

You could take the mean result as a given
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It would be easier and cheaper for you to just post photo of her on here.

We can then all be extremely judgemental and take a wild stab at her racial origins.

You could take the mean result as a given
Quite amusing, and sadly, true.

Is that "mean" as in nasty or "mean" as in measure of central tendency. Actually, the appropriate measure in this case might be the mode - the one that most people choose.
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Old 20.09.2010, 12:16
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Quite amusing, and sadly, true.

Is that "mean" as in nasty or "mean" as in measure of central tendency. Actually, the appropriate measure in this case might be the mode - the one that most people choose.
Yes, it was supposed to be a play on words but you're absolutely right - the mode should be used.
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http://www.igenea.com has a zurich office, too... though, i am not sure about how satisfying the results would be.
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Yes, it was supposed to be a play on words but you're absolutely right - the mode should be used.
Ahhhh statistics. Love 'em.

And getting your DNA tested anyway is a statistical thing more or less.... if there's not a specific gene for a trait, you look at markers or sequences that appear to move together with the trait on a specific chromosome and assign a probability of having a trait. It's very interesting stuff....
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Re: Wanted, DNA testing

That could be so false, though. I'm thinking of me and my brother, with both parents "in common". He's blue eyed with light (almost blonde) hair, I've got dark eyes and dark hair. He could "pass" as a German, me - always thought to be Italian, Spanish.
But, we can't have a different ethnic background...

I was reffering to this:

"It would be easier and cheaper for you to just post photo of her on here.

We can then all be extremely judgemental and take a wild stab at her racial origins.

You could take the mean result as a given "
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That could be so false, though. I'm thinking of me and my brother, with both parents "in common". He's blue eyed with light (almost blonde) hair, I've got dark eyes and dark hair.
That might be the reason she wants to know more, your phenotype (or what you can see) is a result of your genotype (genetic sequence). I know there is an interesting project going on in the Netherlands at Erasmus University, where they look at ancestry of different regions in Europe for instance.
I believe this is an interesting idea
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Re: Wanted, DNA testing

As a person who doesn't look a lot like her family members, I can see where dna testing could be interesting.
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As I already mentioned 'race' is a redundant term, they look for homozygocity and hetrozygosity of your genetic make up and review data based on the findings assigned to differing human geographic groups. A central European will have ancestors that will share the exact genetic make up with that of a central African ancestry individual, albeit the greatest number of generations will form the gap between the central European and central African.

They will only be able to accurately identify the possibility that the greater part of your ancestors spent the greatest time in a specific global region. For instance central European, Northern European, central African, northern African etc. Understandably for a European individual who is specifically interested in a specific area, this data is completely useless.

I would strongly advise an individual to contact a University study where experts can verify your origins accurately and for free.
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That might be the reason she wants to know more, your phenotype (or what you can see) is a result of your genotype (genetic sequence). I know there is an interesting project going on in the Netherlands at Erasmus University, where they look at ancestry of different regions in Europe for instance.
I believe this is an interesting idea
Yes, it is an interesting idea. In my homecountry there is a great variety of phenotypes - as you called them, but this is already explained through history. I'd be curious though to participate in such a project, who knows what I might discover..
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Re: Wanted, DNA testing

I've just used this company here: http://www.dna-worldwide.com/
I did the 'World DNA Match'. It's a really good company and a really good service as well. The test itself was great - they make a list of top 20 nations that you belong to and make a map as well. I would really recommend this company. I'm now planning to do the Ancestry by DNA as well.
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I would strongly advise an individual to contact a University study where experts can verify your origins accurately and for free.
Fair enough, but a university will only be interested if it fits into their specific research paradigm. Maybe the program at Erasmus in Rotterdam might fit the bill.
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My brother did this through the National Geographic DNA project. It's really very generic. They can't tell you "your 1/2 Italian, 1/4 Swiss & 1/4 Indian, if that is what your friend is looking for.
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There will be no photo, I think she wants to remain anonymous.

She was born in Pau in 1942 on the French - Spanish border, and at the age of 6 months her mother abandoned her. She has obtained a copy of her file from the town where she was born and adopted, but unsurprisingly it hasn't answered any of her questions. She is very curious now about her roots, obviously with the war on there was a lot of movement in the population, and thanks to your help she might be able to achieve a certain solitude. She speaks good English, maybe an RAF escapee was her father?

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Re: Wanted, DNA testing

Very interesting, she has a good reason for her quest.
She might be surprised by the answer.
Will you kindly revive this thread and tell us of the outcome ?

Has anybody ever tried this and was satisfied with the results ?
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Yes I will keep you informed.
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