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Old 27.09.2010, 20:40
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Clean, cleaner and very clean?

Here's something to think about!

What's dirtier than your toilet seat? You'll never look at your toothbrush the same way.... yuk yuk!

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Given what a bathroom is used for, most people sensibly try to keep it clean.
Alas, disinfecting your toilet bowl may well lull you into a false sense of how germ free your home really is.
We've compiled a list of places and things that are really quite dirty and potentially unsafe.

Toothbrush

If you flush the toilet without putting the lid down, the water particles are sprayed up to a distance of six feet, landing on your sink and toothbrush. Close the lid before you flush, and disinfect the taps, the flush handle and door handles often.

Kitchen sink

Your kitchen sink contains 100,000 times more germs than your bathroom. Sponges are a trap for germs and can carry bacteria such as e. coli and salmonella. Your chopping board, brace yourself, has about twice as much faecal bacteria than your average toilet seat.
Wash your sponges in the dishwasher and replace them often. Use separate chopping boards for meat, fish and vegetables, and wash and disinfect them closely after each use.

Computer keyboard

Why fret about the cleanliness of your office bathroom when your computer keyboard carries a year's worth of nose pickings and breadcrumbs? More importantly, your qwerty carries all sorts of bugs that cause food poisoning.
Flip your keyboard over, shake hard, and then wipe the surface with antibacterial solution. And don't forget your computer mouse.

Mobile phone

Your mobile is delightfully small and versatile, which is precisely why it tends to carry 18 times more potentially harmful germs than your average toilet's flush handle. Indeed, your phone could be carrying staph bacteria, which can cause everything from skin infections to meningitis.
The same goes for your house and office phones.
Turn the device off and wipe it with a antibacterial towelette. Repeat often.

Your laundry

You might feel that the laundry you've just done is truly clean - think again. Research has found that intestinal viruses like hepatitis A and e.coli can be transferred between clothes during a wash.
Use bleach where possible, and wash fabrics at the highest possible temperature. If you have a dryer, use it at the highest setting allowed to kill the remaining germs.

TV remote

It is one of the most used and least cleaned items in your home, and it is also one of the top places to transmit infections. In your hotel room, it is most likely the dirtiest surface there.
Sanitize it with antibacterial wipes.

Your bed

Your bed is rife with bacteria, dust mites and viruses.
Change your bedding weekly and wash it and dry it at high temperatures, using bleach if you can.
You should have your pillows and duvets professionally cleaned and replace your mattress every few years.

Your pet

There is nothing like unconditional affection given by your pet - including the campylobacter bacteria, which is carried by up to half of dogs and cats, and can give you food poisoning.
Treat your pet with affection, then wash your hands.

Wider world

Money, supermarket trolleys, elevator buttons, petrol pump nozzles, salad bars, public bathrooms, hotel rooms, candy bowls, your gym, sliced fruit in your cocktail... you name it, and it will be carrying many germs, some of them quite nasty.


Use common sense, as that may give you some protection against the rich tapestry of germ life.
  • Wash your hands often with soap and hot water. Dry them afterward.
  • Avoid, where possible, touching surfaces that are handled by the general public, such as bathroom door handles. You may wash you hands, but others don't.
  • Do not handle food unless you've washed your hands.
  • Avoid touching your face, including your nose and eyes, unless you have just washed your hands.
  • Stay away from people who are obviously sick.
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i don't disinfect anything and i haven't died yet.
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Don't pick your nose and eat it, or flick where others may eat. Lotsa germs there.
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Old 27.09.2010, 20:52
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bacteria rocks my socks. nom nom nom nom....

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Old 27.09.2010, 20:58
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Hey. Hands off germs!
Most germs are man's best friend. They're harmless and do us good.
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This thread will save me! Thanks! Until now, I haven't followed any of the instructions above and have already died many times.
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Old 28.09.2010, 00:32
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I am by English standards probably quite clean, and I am rarely ill, but friends of mine are definitely grotty and are continually ill. You need to keep within normal parameters, maybe somewhere between soap and bleach ?
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I am by English standards probably quite clean, and I am rarely ill, but friends of mine are definitely grotty and are continually ill. You need to keep within normal parameters, maybe somewhere between soap and bleach ?
I think there certainly is a happy medium.

"Dirty" enough that you are not killing off helpful organisms in your effort to keep everything "spotless" seems to be the way to go.

After all, it is manic cleanliness and antibacterial this and antibiotic that which has lead to those super-strong, treatment resistant "bugs" in schools and hospitals.
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I think there certainly is a happy medium.

"Dirty" enough that you are not killing off helpful organisms in your effort to keep everything "spotless" seems to be the way to go.

After all, it is manic cleanliness and antibacterial this and antibiotic that which has lead to those super-strong, treatment resistant "bugs" in schools and hospitals.
There really might not be a line between "helpful" and "unhelpful" organisms. Remember that our bodies have evolved over millions of years to deal with and live with the world around us, so much so that we're in symbiosis with it. Read the article I posted and look up "Hygiene Hypothesis".
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And keep in mind , "Urine is Sterile"
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Re: Clean, cleaner and very clean?

this sort of thread is what causes people to suffer OCDs!

useless pieces of information, humans haven't survived this long by disinfecting everything!

I go by the old saying of "if it doesn't kill you it will make you stronger", I'm not dead yet so I guess I can only be stronger!

in other news I heard someone advocating the mantra of "if it's yellow let it mellow and if it's brown flush it down?", defo don't agree with that one though!
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I think there certainly is a happy medium.

"Dirty" enough that you are not killing off helpful organisms in your effort to keep everything "spotless" seems to be the way to go.

After all, it is manic cleanliness and antibacterial this and antibiotic that which has lead to those super-strong, treatment resistant "bugs" in schools and hospitals.
I wouldn't be going to India for any medical procedures either
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I wouldn't be going to India for any medical procedures either

I'm not quite sure what you mean... if, as I suspect, you are inferring that hospitals in India are dirty to a "threatening" degree, I offer that such are not the only places where problems can occur.

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Now, it has been since that story that we've heard "so much" about the super-resistant bacterias. Perhaps ORMC is a lot dirtier than I thought, perhaps they are "too clean" and have "created" their own problems through excessive use of antibiotics, as we have heard has become something of an issue in many institutions where attention to cleanliness is considered critical.


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Now, it has been since that story that we've heard "so much" about the super-resistant bacterias. Perhaps ORMC is a lot dirtier than I thought, perhaps they are "too clean" and have "created" their own problems through excessive use of antibiotics, as we have heard has become something of an issue in many institutions where attention to cleanliness is considered critical.
Or to quote everyone's favourite TV doctor:

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Your chopping board, brace yourself, has about twice as much faecal bacteria than your average toilet seat.
What the hell? What is that chopping board being used for??
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I'm not quite sure what you mean... if, as I suspect, you are inferring that hospitals in India are dirty to a "threatening" degree, I offer that such are not the only places where problems can occur.

Orlando Regional Medical Center (Florida, USA) -


Now, it has been since that story that we've heard "so much" about the super-resistant bacterias. Perhaps ORMC is a lot dirtier than I thought, perhaps they are "too clean" and have "created" their own problems through excessive use of antibiotics, as we have heard has become something of an issue in many institutions where attention to cleanliness is considered critical.


*** Hopefully Nil, Nicky and our other expectant mothers and fathers somehow do not read this story.
I mean that superbugs are spreading from India as people go there for cheaper surgery.
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I wouldn't be going to India for any medical procedures either
Time to know about India in the medical field.

http://healthmad.com/medicine/rare-s...ents-in-india/
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I mean that superbugs are spreading from India as people go there for cheaper surgery.
And it has been stated as the trick of the Medical / Pharmacies group of European / American countries to stop people going to India for cheap and good treatments, which spoils thier business.

We Indians still survive, that too maintainig the world's highest population. So, it means, Superbug has nothing to do and shows Indians have more resistance power than anyothers.
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Time to know about India in the medical field.

http://healthmad.com/medicine/rare-s...ents-in-india/
That's great, but people have come back to their own countries after having procedures in India and have brought the superbug back with them. It's not just India, though they seem to be making the news lately.
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Old 28.09.2010, 10:40
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And it has been stated as the trick of the Medical / Pharmacies group of European / American countries to stop people going to India for cheap and good treatments, which spoils thier business.

We Indians still survive, that too maintainig the world's highest population. So, it means, Superbug has nothing to do and shows Indians have more resistance power than anyothers.
No, none of your post is true. Indian medical care isn't great.

http://www.who.int/whr/2000/en/whr00_en.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHO's_r...h_care_systems
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