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and you are all jumping at it...
'cause it's fun and spices up the day

Plus, if I was the OP I would want to read or respond to this thread anymore anyway....
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Armchair quarter-backing. Easy to say when it hasn't happened. Would you have taken care of said unplanned baby at say age 16?
Good question:

NO, I wouldn't. At 16 you are not ready to any responsability nor that you can trully understand any of them.

As a grown up adult, Yes I would have keep the child.

As long as I understood, we are not talking about the father being a teenager, no?
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Good question:

NO, I wouldn't. At 16 you are not ready to any responsability nor that you can trully understand any of them.

As a grown up adult, Yes I would have keep the child.

As long as I understood, we are not talking about the father being a teenager, no?
I thought we were talking about the principle, not about the specific situation any longer.
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nice argument. So if you are 18, young and foolish, don't want children, but think your partner might lumber you with them through trickery, your advice would be to permanently remove your ability to ever have children in your life.
Not saying that at all. However, I don't care how old you are or how foolish, if you think your partner is going to "lumber you with them through trickery", you may want to make sure you use multiple types of contraception (if you continue to have sex with this person) and not blame her when she gets pregnant.

If you choose to do the deed, you must be prepared to face the consequences.
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Come on Nil, you can do better than calling things 'lame' or 'bla bla bla' (from the Wilder thread). Refute with arguments !
Always into context sweety!
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The powerful urge to show your alpha male canines and beat someone to death when someone touches your female?

The powerful urge of going on a rampage to the next village, impale all the men and steal all the women?

Come on, EVOLVE. I know you can do it. Blaming it on instinct is just a tad too easy.
The obvious difference being that the urge to beat someone to death for touching your female is no longer necessary for keeping a mate. I'm not sure we have yet, however, evolved beyond the need for having children, regardless of any arguments about overpopulation etc.

Someone please correct me if i'm wrong.
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Not saying that at all. However, I don't care how old you are or how foolish, if you think your partner is going to "lumber you with them through trickery", you may want to make sure you use multiple types of contraception (if you continue to have sex with this person) and not blame her when she gets pregnant.

If you choose to do the deed, you must be prepared to face the consequences.
and if you don't choose ? Should you also face the same consequences ?
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I thought we were talking about the principle, not about the specific situation any longer.
For some people, principle pass in front of everything else. For other, situations are use in relation with principle.
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Armchair quarter-backing. Easy to say when it hasn't happened. Would you have taken care of said unplanned baby at say age 16?
That's why I wasn't having sex yet when I was 16. realizing that "sex - possible baby - need to take care of said baby" is not really rocket science.
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Old 20.10.2010, 11:03
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and if you don't choose ? Should you also face the same consequences ?
Huh? I have no idea what this means.
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Huh? I have no idea what this means.
psst. we have now moved into discussing rape situations...
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and if you don't choose ?
You mean if the guy was raped? I thought we were talking about chosing to have sex. If you do, you better be armed against having kids if you don't want them. To walk away from parenting when the child is already conceived, I can't really comprehend..
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Re: Father Not wanting responsibility

I have. Just try harder everyone.
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....I'm not sure we have yet, however, evolved beyond the need for having children, regardless of any arguments about overpopulation etc.

Someone please correct me if i'm wrong.
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and if you don't choose ? Should you also face the same consequences ?
There has been a misunderstanding of this. I don't for a second mean don't choose as in sex without consent - christ no.

I meant in the case of genuine trickery - i.e. you don't realise your partner has gone off the pill - then becomes pregnant. In this situation the male has not chosen to have a child.

To be completely clear: it's aboslutely not about unconsensual sex.
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There has been a misunderstanding of this. I don't for a second mean don't choose as in sex without consent - christ no.

I meant in the case of genuine trickery - i.e. you don't realise your partner has gone off the pill - then becomes pregnant. In this situation the male has not chosen to have a child.

To be completely clear: it's aboslutely not about unconsensual sex.
Ok, so what do you think a guy should do in this situation?
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The obvious difference being that the urge to beat someone to death for touching your female is no longer necessary for keeping a mate. I'm not sure we have yet, however, evolved beyond the need for having children, regardless of any arguments about overpopulation etc.

Someone please correct me if i'm wrong.
Really? Define "need for having children".
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Re: Father Not wanting responsibility

Ok, this is rather train-wreckish... Rape/allimony/unwanted children/what else.

I hope OP finds her support, we are all cheering for her.
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I have. Just try harder everyone.
But the point is we haven't got over the drive to reproduce or bear children. Women who choose not to are exceptions surpressing their maternal instrincts, not the standard. Im sure many women and mothers on this forum can attest to how strong the urge is.
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There has been a misunderstanding of this. I don't for a second mean don't choose as in sex without consent - christ no.

I meant in the case of genuine trickery - i.e. you don't realise your partner has gone off the pill - then becomes pregnant. In this situation the male has not chosen to have a child.

To be completely clear: it's aboslutely not about unconsensual sex.
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Ok, so what do you think a guy should do in this situation?
Ask their partner why they have done this and what is the next logical step for them.

i.e. sit down and discuss, which is the whole point of all the arguments anyway: its not a simple decision.
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