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Old 20.10.2010, 12:15
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Re: Father Not wanting responsibility

In our liberal world, with varying social security and complicated laws, its as simple as this:

Men can't understand the women's point of view, because they don't understand what it's like to choose, emotionally, physically and mentally.

Women can't understand men's point of view, because they can't understand what it's like to be completely powerless, often isolated, and disadvantaged by the system.

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Old 20.10.2010, 12:16
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In our liberal world, with varying social security and complicated laws, its as simple as this:

Men can't understand the women's point of view, because they don't understand what it's like to choose, emotionally, physically and mentally.

Women can't understand men's point of view, because they can't understand what it's like to be completely powerless, often isolated, and disadvantaged by the system.

On the lighter side, to quote Mark out of the Peep Show:
Oh, I beg to differ..
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Old 20.10.2010, 12:17
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Absolutely true! But what if, just for example, a girl told him that she was using protection . .but actually for whatever reason, she was not? As has been said, there are a lot of factors, from both sides to consider.
I cannot get it. Not using condoms...these days? What about sexually transmitted diseases
I feel sorry for the OP though, and I believe a child is a child either way wanted or not, as someone said, life is not simple and we are not here to judge.
I appreciate positive posts offering encouragement and information to help this lady..because we all know, what is done, it's done.
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Old 20.10.2010, 12:45
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I cannot get it. Not using condoms...these days? What about sexually transmitted diseases
I'd have hep B if I didn't insist on using them. My boyfriend found out after giving blood. He'd had his tonsils out in the 80s - the most likely place he caught it from, before they started screening blood and sterilizing instruments property.
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Old 20.10.2010, 13:11
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I'd have hep B if I didn't insist on using them. My boyfriend found out after giving blood. He'd had his tonsils out in the 80s - the most likely place he caught it from, before they started screening blood and sterilizing instruments property.
Of course you could have married the guy and still didn't know about his hep B (s**t can happen), but not using the basic protection especially when people don't actually (quite) know their partner...I don't know. My point was sadly contraception is among the last things one would take into consideration these days.
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Old 20.10.2010, 13:56
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Absolutely true! But what if, just for example, a girl told him that she was using protection . .but actually for whatever reason, she was not? As has been said, there are a lot of factors, from both sides to consider.
I`m certainly no supporting what he said about not being his responsibility but I think it`s wrong to pre-judge.
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Of course you could have married the guy and still didn't know about his hep B (s**t can happen), but not using the basic protection especially when people don't actually (quite) know their partner...I don't know. My point was sadly contraception is among the last things one would take into consideration these days.
Yep, Can't understand either how someone nowadays doesn't use a condom to at least protect against sexual disease. Numbers are pretty scary on that matter!

In the country we got married, it is the law to pass test to see if you do have something. I find it very good!
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Old 20.10.2010, 14:25
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I cannot get it. Not using condoms...these days? What about sexually transmitted diseases
I feel sorry for the OP though, and I believe a child is a child either way wanted or not, as someone said, life is not simple and we are not here to judge.
I appreciate positive posts offering encouragement and information to help this lady..because we all know, what is done, it's done.
I could not agree more! That is not the issue though, I do sypmathise with the OP totally but I was trying to say that we should not all jump to condemn the guy when we don`t know the facts.
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Yep, Can't understand either how someone nowadays doesn't use a condom to at least protect against sexual disease. Numbers are pretty scary on that matter!
I don't see much weight behind using condoms for whatever benefit you might get from STD prevention.

You can take antibiotics to cure almost all but two, HIV and herpes. And they don't offer much protection against herpes, and the prevalence of HIV is miniscule in switzerland, combined with the fact that the chance of catching it through heterosexual intercourse is estimated at 1 in 10,000 or even less.
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Old 20.10.2010, 15:04
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Wow, this thread has turned into sex and STDīs
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Old 20.10.2010, 15:09
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and the prevalence of HIV is miniscule in switzerland, combined with the fact that the chance of catching it through heterosexual intercourse is estimated at 1 in 10,000 or even less.
Ummm... can you please reference where you get this statistic? I am not sure this is *quite* right.
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I don't see much weight behind using condoms for whatever benefit you might get from STD prevention.

You can take antibiotics to cure almost all but two, HIV and herpes. And they don't offer much protection against herpes, and the prevalence of HIV is miniscule in switzerland, combined with the fact that the chance of catching it through heterosexual intercourse is estimated at 1 in 10,000 or even less.
Ahh right, so its ok not to use a condom because the STDs can be treated... never mind now wanting to catch them in the first place, or the possible side effects that can occurr if you get them and don't notice the symptoms until too late? Or that you could get it and spread it to 5 other people before you realised? Of course condoms are useful for preventing he spread of STDs.
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Old 20.10.2010, 15:39
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I cannot get it. Not using condoms...these days? What about sexually transmitted diseases.
i only sleep with nice girls without diseases

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Of course condoms are useful for preventing he spread of STDs.
i'm not disagreeing with this, if you get what i'm saying
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Old 20.10.2010, 15:43
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i only sleep with nice girls without diseases

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Do you log that info in your stats?

I wouldn't say this to your potential bed partner, not a good pick up line...
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I don't see much weight behind using condoms for whatever benefit you might get from STD prevention.

You can take antibiotics to cure almost all but two, HIV and herpes. And they don't offer much protection against herpes, and the prevalence of HIV is miniscule in switzerland, combined with the fact that the chance of catching it through heterosexual intercourse is estimated at 1 in 10,000 or even less.
Some of them don't show symptoms and can do incredible damage to you. Syphillus for example can easily lie undetected and can damage women's fertility......still at least this way the poor woman won't upset the man with an accidental pregnancy
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Some of them don't show symptoms and can do incredible damage to you. Syphillus for example can easily lie undetected and can damage women's fertility......still at least this way the poor woman won't upset the man with an accidental pregnancy
I forgot to add that i was strictly speaking from a male point of view. I think women should insist that their partners use one because they are far more likely to contract an STD and the consequences can be more severe. Men on the other hand...
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(btw, what do you call couples who use the rhythm method?

Parents! ).
the only people i know who use the rhythm/temperature method are a married couple. both doctors. the result: 5 children - at least 3 unplanned.

recently, a girl suggested to me that we use the temperature method. if two doctors get it wrong 3 times, there's no way i'm going to put my trust in it!

re: STDs. get hep a/b innoculation (i'm amazed this still isn't done as a matter of routine in the same way as MMR) and get blood tests - it ain't rocket science.

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I don't see much weight behind using condoms for whatever benefit you might get from STD prevention.

You can take antibiotics to cure almost all but two, HIV and herpes. And they don't offer much protection against herpes, and the prevalence of HIV is miniscule in switzerland, combined with the fact that the chance of catching it through heterosexual intercourse is estimated at 1 in 10,000 or even less.
Only for the sake of argument 'cause otherwise we're for long off topic.
Prevalence of HIV in CH is miniscule compared to African countries, but in West and Central Europe is like that

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Ummm... can you please reference where you get this statistic? I am not sure this is *quite* right.
It's hard to determine exactly, but estimates are that it's actually something like 1 in 3000 through naturally lubricated heterosexual intercourse. It's a piece of knowledge that isn't spread around much because a) it isn't politically correct and promotes the stigma that it only happens to gays and druggies (forgetting that straight people also have anal sex and rape victims, who are also in increased danger, never had a choice by definition) and b) 1 in 3000 is low, but not that low, and it's bound to give lots of stupid people a false sense of security.
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Ok, was having a thick moment there, had to google the rhythm method, since I thought we are all using rhythm in bed, god gracious.

But it is true, people who actually do want to get knocked up rely on the very unreliable ways (temps, ovulation days, pulling out, you name it).
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