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My dear husband loves to cook and eat. He seriously eats about 5 times what I eat, is constantly hungry and is still very slim, borderline underweight. Can you imagine (especially if you have to watch your own weight constantly) living with a person who can eat croissants, huge creamy cheese-covered pasta dishes, chocolate, jam on toast etc etc in huge quantities all day, every day, then step on a scale and say "Darn, have lost weight again.."
Yeah, hahaha...It's all about metabolism and body type, does he have less sedantery work? Moves more? My life has become so stagnant I am thinking about becoming a mail woman, to speed up my metabolism (plus don't they have cool bikes here???). If you hubby keeps eating frequently but small amounts, as even if the food is fattening, it is better than eating 2x a day slimming food, that is probably the worst thing one can do to oneself - infrequent feeds and not a really good nutrition, since then the body stores and bellies happen, no matter how low calorie your diet is. I prefer high protein, some fat, some carb meals but smaller size portions, I think stopping oneself half way through, have a glass of water and an apple afterwards, and refuel another small portion 3hrs later is actually really efficient. Just like Bertrand here mentioned..

Plus I read that sometimes there is a link between overfed formula babies tend to pack on weight in adulthood, it is hard to estimate when one ffs when the baby had enough and when it just likes all the sugary taste of the formula and continues to suck, moms like their babies finish their bottles.. It is worth to look at your baby pics and see if you were one of those really cute chubster magazine cover babies or skinnier. If you were a big baby, one is more likely to fight harder for losing kilos and keeping weight within some brackets.
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So you do not believe in the fat gene?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1647517.ece
I don't believe that most English/American/German people have it whilst hardly any Swiss do.
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I don't believe that most English/American/German people have it whilst hardly any Swiss do.
A millenium of inbreeding?
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A millenium of inbreeding?
Which, Switzerland or England?

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Ok, this will sound cheesy, but I do see so many times here really really fit 60something year olds, with a body of 30 yr old, women and men, equally. I always thought it was hot and looked up to them, thinking I do want that drive, that motivation, discipline, etc..Then I thought about it and it hit me, I would love it, but would also want my mom to look like a grandma to my child, not a vain person who is so focused on it, on the clothes, the trimness of her own butt, but a person who bakes and flies kites with my child, instead of having a muesli bar for dinner and spending 2 hours every single day on a treadmill or running up hills like a rabbit, denying herself a real solid schnitzel. I wonder if people really torture themselves and over do it when they don't feel perfect. Perfection is the mail mantra here for a lot of people. I know my thinking is selfish. But it so can be overdone, it is not attractive, the focus on your own figure, I wonder if that would be a model I would follow or not. Probably not. So, before we go on about how beautifully deprived some people are here, or vain, while elsewhere people focus on feel good activities too much and social life, moderation is probably the correct concept, not a giant belly or no meat on one's body at all...People look much older when they are too thin, btw.
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So you do not believe in the fat gene?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1647517.ece
Genetics plays a part, as can some diseases and treatments, but there is no disease or genetic condition that can violate basic laws of physics to create fat out of nothing. The rule of weight loss remains "calories in < calories out". Now it maybe harder for some people, and I am not denying that, but I am also sure that nobody is predetermined to stay a 150kg person forever.
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Ok, this will sound cheesy, but I do see so many times here really really fit 60something year olds, with a body of 30 yr old, women and men, equally. ...
have been thanking all your posts here, because I agree 100%; in the two years I spent here, my life has come a full circle: the initial fascination at all these super-fit people, get close to them and the impression you get is what you posted above...

As for me, I have one more year of experiments left to try all funky sports, and then I will be back to my neighborhood street jogging form Actually sometimes I miss that simple life when I used to run without thinking about it.
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This thread made me sign up as I enjoyed reading the various sad excuses people give for being "big boned". Obviously there is no connection between the rich unhealthy food you eat and getting phat!

Why does one have to choose between being "big boned" vs being a steroid monkey vs being a skinny starving person? There is an obvious middle ground called being healthy and not having a wobbly jelly sack attached to your mid section and backside.

As for me I have a descent six pack and I am 42 years old. I eat healthy and exercise regularly. Nothing is more important in life than good health. I wish my krankankasse costs did not go up yearly thank in part to other people who can't make basic health choices.

I prefer being able to fit in my size 29-30 jeans without a potato sack in front. Thank you very much.
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Old 26.10.2010, 10:54
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Ok, this will sound cheesy, but I do see so many times here really really fit 60something year olds, with a body of 30 yr old, women and men, equally. I always thought it was hot and looked up to them, thinking I do want that drive, that motivation, discipline, etc..Then I thought about it and it hit me, I would love it, but would also want my mom to look like a grandma to my child, not a vain person who is so focused on it, on the clothes, the trimness of her own butt, but a person who bakes and flies kites with my child, instead of having a muesli bar for dinner and spending 2 hours every single day on a treadmill or running up hills like a rabbit, denying herself a real solid schnitzel. I wonder if people really torture themselves and over do it when they don't feel perfect. Perfection is the mail mantra here for a lot of people. I know my thinking is selfish. But it so can be overdone, it is not attractive, the focus on your own figure, I wonder if that would be a model I would follow or not. Probably not. So, before we go on about how beautifully deprived some people are here, or vain, while elsewhere people focus on feel good activities too much and social life, moderation is probably the correct concept, not a giant belly or no meat on one's body at all...People look much older when they are too thin, btw.
Please, give me a break.

Most of my (Swiss) neighbours are not overweight with large bellies and neither do most of them take any, or much regimented exercise. They spend a lot of their time playing with their children.

They eat normally as well. They really enjoy their food.

What they don't do is pig-out on food. For whatever reason people on here want to make up, or otherwise believe, they know when to stop.
And they don't do this thing that everyone talks about here -snacking on a tub of ice-cream or eating a whole bucket of KFC.
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Please, give me a break.

Most of my (Swiss) neighbours are not overweight with large bellies and neither do most of them take any, or much regimented exercise. They spend a lot of their time playing with their children.

They eat normally as well. They really enjoy their food.

What they don't do is pig-out on food. For whatever reason people on here want to make up, or otherwise believe, they know when to stop.
And they don't do this thing that everyone talks about here -snacking on a tub of ice-cream or eating a whole bucket of KFC.
I agree, but she was referring to a differet kind of people, the 60-somethings that run like hares and look like 30...probably a bit OT because this thread was about BIG bellies, but the argument still holds.

Most people that Music-chick referred won't have time to play with grandchildren. majority of my social circle comprises of ultra runners and mountaineers, they look very fit and enviable from afar, but get to know them and you'll realize majority of them won't spend time with grandchildren. Why? because majority won't even have children of their own.... a bit hard reality that we don't like to say openly, but sports like marathons and mountaineering are basically very selfish pursuits that often come at a price elsewhere.

Ok, back to big bellies discussion
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Well my man's developing belly is turning into quite a comfortable pillow
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I agree, but she was referring to a differet kind of people, the 60-somethings that run like hares and look like 30...probably a bit OT because this thread was about BIG bellies, but the argument still holds.

Most people that Music-chick referred won't have time to play with grandchildren. majority of my social circle comprises of ultra runners and mountaineers, they look very fit and enviable from afar, but get to know them and you'll realize majority of them won't spend time with grandchildren. Why? because majority won't even have children of their own.... a bit hard reality that we don't like to say openly, but sports like marathons and mountaineering are basically very selfish pursuits that often come at a price elsewhere.

Ok, back to big bellies discussion
But I'm talking about normal people.
(why do people always use extremes on these threads? - i.e. if you don't have a beer-belly, you must be extremely skinny and ill with it).

There are normal Swiss people with pot-bellies. The majority of your group probably aren't Swiss anyway.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that you can lead a normal life without too much exercise and with no special dieting and still be of a normal weight.

This is how it was for almost everyone until the 1950s.
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Wasn't it cool to have a belly a couple years back, esp in NYC. Given that CH is usually a couple years behind the times in trends, I'd say about now is the perfect time to have a belly. The last two women I dated were aghast when I suggested I should lose my belly ... seems some prefer us a bit convex.
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They eat normally as well. They really enjoy their food.

What they don't do is pig-out on food. For whatever reason people on here want to make up, or otherwise believe, they know when to stop.
And they don't do this thing that everyone talks about here -snacking on a tub of ice-cream or eating a whole bucket of KFC.
Ah, now I get it! The Jumbo Jumbo Cordon Bleu, Schweinshaxe and suchlike in places like the Rheinfelder

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are only eaten by the non-Swiss, and all the Swiss there (the majority of "diners") are there strictly to provide local colour and authenticity.

And all the A Diskretion buffets are also strictly for the visitors - of course, none of the people seen feeding like a swarm of locusts could possible be Swiss.

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Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that you can lead a normal life without too much exercise and with no special dieting and still be of a normal weight.

This is how it was for almost everyone until the 1950s.
Or National Service and food rationing, as they called them in those days

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Please, give me a break.

Most of my (Swiss) neighbours are not overweight with large bellies and neither do most of them take any, or much regimented exercise. They spend a lot of their time playing with their children.

They eat normally as well. They really enjoy their food.

What they don't do is pig-out on food. For whatever reason people on here want to make up, or otherwise believe, they know when to stop.
And they don't do this thing that everyone talks about here -snacking on a tub of ice-cream or eating a whole bucket of KFC.
Sure, and all the expat I know here don't pig out, in fact they eat very moderately, cost might some something to do with it, hahaha...The also don't start punishing themselves if they happen to get a tad jiggly, I don't know about giant bellies here. Wait, I do, at work, the typical patriarchs, who give me stink eye when I have a 50gr bag of chips coz I miss sour cream and onion flavor...You know the "big brother is watching you" look since women shouldn't eat fatty food, or at least not in public. Man, it's back to fifties and denying oneself some life. I am kidding. But on a serious note, I think nothing should get overdone. If the size of my ass (the equivalent of guy's gut me thinks) ever happens to be a priority over health/fun/social life and learning, somebody, please, send me this thread's link.

Thanks, Niranjan. I know what you mean. I do have a huge respect for socializing that is actually active, I am a motion junkie, need to move a lot to burn off steam and energy, which recharges me. So, ideally, if I can hang out with friends and family, outside and moving is my preferred way, I do love how active people are here, that's obvious. But, I wouldn't make it a priority so much that other important things get hurt in the process, watching over self body image sooooo closely, focusing on it, just seems too vain. So, ideally, I hike and run around. But if I can squeeze a couple of hours on a piano/see a museum/translate a poem/write a song/knit or sew for my family/bake a cake and then do my eliptical for 45 mins instead, it's great, instead of a whole day jumping over rocks like a goat, hahaha, and vainly loving my own ass.

Back to men and bellies. I think in some way, a moderate, tiny potbelly comes with roles. A dad and grown up guy looks hotter with some meat on him, there, I said it. I remember dad polishing off our baby foods and lunches when he got home exhausted from hospital shift until he reached good 90kilos, then slowly worked it off again with weight lifting. In the meantime, he could carry all of us three in his arms, we slept on his belly, mom loved it coz he was happier, not so irritable, work shifts back then were horrible. If his figure was a priority to him, I think we would have missed out somewhat..I think mental stamina is also linked to weight, I am not saying obesity is good in any way, but if one is going through some hardships, thin people do not necessarily outperform the little chubbier ones.
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Ah, now I get it! The Jumbo Jumbo Cordon Bleu, Schweinshaxe and suchlike in places like the Rheinfelder

are only eaten by the non-Swiss, and all the Swiss there (the majority of "diners") are there strictly to provide local colour and authenticity.

And all the A Diskretion buffets are also strictly for the visitors - of course, none of the people seen feeding like a swarm of locusts could possible be Swiss.

Yeah, right!
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The ones I know don't spend all their in restaurants - they really don't have time in the week juggling children, jobs and the house and at the weekend, they'd rather be doing things with their children than sitting in restaurants.

I can't speak for the others. Perhaps they don't pig out in front of the TV in the evening with a jumbo bucket of ice cream or a tin of cookies? I've really no idea
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Cmon girls, where is the love...how does it go about people living in glass houses should not throw..whatever...
Hey, I may be overweight but I have a flat tummy and clearly defined waist. Which is the "healthier" way of being overweight, apparently.

I think you need to seriously reconsider your food and lifestyle choices when you put on your trousers and have to decide whether they are to go OVER or UNDER the gut. A bit of padding combined with a strong shoulder and arm section can be quite sexy (see your average hobby rugby player) but I find men who are wider at the waist than at the shoulders quite off-putting...
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Hi All
Late to the discussion as usual.
I work out aerobically twice a week (running / rowing) for about an hour, and I weight train 3 times a week. I am pretty strong compared to people I know (typically working out with 30 kg barbells and 25 kg kettlebells) and my fitness measured using VO2 and recovery heart rate is at a high level.
Everything above my sternum is buff, as are my legs and bum. Very depressingly however there is this large barrel-like belly in between that nothing seems to shift. Funnily enough, it is not a stereotypical flabby ballooning beer belly (it's larger just below my sternum than at my waist), most of the weight (and associated volume) seems to be on my hips at the back. My physique is rather like Steve Thompson's (but obviously nowhere near as fit and strong).
I'm off to the dietician today to see if she can help, as I am sick of having this barrel-like profile.

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P.S. It's against all God's laws to have 70 year old Swiss grannies clad from head to toe in lycra, hurtling past you as you puff along on forest trails.
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The ones I know don't spend all their in restaurants - they really don't have time in the week juggling children, jobs and the house and at the weekend, they'd rather be doing things with their children than sitting in restaurants.
That's incredible!! Oh, how I wish I was Swiss and be able to spend time with the kids, or working, or doing thinks round the house and be able to do things at the weekend, instead of being stuck in this lousy restaurant all the time.

Maybe if I asked Santa Claus, I could be a part of this Swiss Fairytale too?!?!?
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The ones I know don't spend all their in restaurants - they really don't have time in the week juggling children, jobs and the house and at the weekend, they'd rather be doing things with their children than sitting in restaurants.

I can't speak for the others. Perhaps they don't pig out in front of the TV in the evening with a jumbo bucket of ice cream or a tin of cookies? I've really no idea
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