I enjoy looking at women, and the 6pack ones creep me out as well. Pretty much anyone with an overdone ab section is rather....plastic.

I remember my guitarist being so mad at his girl for not being able to shed her little tummy after the delivery of their child, 2years after she had a tinny belly, which I thought was so attractive..Really nobellies girls just look so underage. Gota desclaim to Tom1234 quickly, not all of them 100% of the time and they are not underage, they only look like that, to me...

Some yeras ago whilst on holiday we met a young couple who had recently married.I made a comment about his beer belly at which point his wife became real indignant and spat out "it´s not a beer belly it´s a choristers diaphragm..."
Whatever.....

It doesn't have to be a six pack



she can choke me any time

See below:


etc.

See what I mean - It's either big belly or about to drop dead according to you.

And you go on about people in this country having disdain for fat people.

not really my type....although being a skinny kid-with my options, I would never say no.

I'm truly surprised that a lot of women and men don't seem to mind being overweight. Being overweight has only dissadvantages. Who whould want this?

I'm afraid that being overweight nowadays is almost normal and woe betide anyone who frowns - or worse - comments on it.Just not PC.

Walking around Bern, I see many obese folk - many more than when I first came here (17 years ago) and they walk (amble) sooooo slowly - no consideration for others, blocking the way and simply not caring.....but that's another spatially-challenged thread completely.

This is making me chuckle. You can live with me liking a moderate belly, right? There does not have to be any reason to justify it, right? Well, I listed some personal reasons, ie - how some attitude seems to me, perceived by me, to try to explain I wouldn't hate a person with a moderate chub on his mid section, right? I am not sure how I go on and on about something. This is a debate, my posts are not to be taken as absolute statements but you can if you wish. What I have experienced here is just one view of many, your points are as valid as people will consider them, so are mine. I accept the fact you dislike my reasoning of my perverted belly fetish, hahaha, the examples are of course blown out of proportion, as I already mentioned, but not so much at the end of the day. Don't lose any sleep over it, though, it's just my opinion based solely on my experience. Ok? Any other need for some further disclaimers?

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“The only difference between a rut and a grave is a matter of depth.” S.P. Cadman

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." A. Einstein

You scare me.

Some like the look. Others like the association of wealth with the look. Even others orgasm from rubbing up against a fuzzy tummy.

Please refer to my orgasm comment above. Also, a bit of padding helps in case of heart attack or serious illness.

TMI. seriously.

In Mexico it is cheaper than this:



seriously, Look

Which reminds me:

Dude, your tight pants are TMI.

Absolutely, you can like what ever you want. I don't think it's perverted at all.


But, as I pointed out in my previous post, it seems with you that it is all or nothing and you jump from people without a belly to freaks, without mentioning the norm.

Whenever anyone criticises excessive body fat on this thread (or in the U.K., or the U.S), for well publicised reasons of health, one gets hounded.
(Another poster was astounded on here when his doctor told him that he could lose a bit of weight).

If we had an honest poll on here asking all the men with a beer-belly whether they would like it to disappear, irrespective of its women-pulling ability, and without any personal sacrifice with regards to beer or food consumption, I bet the answer would be near to 100% to lose it.
They won't admit it though.

For those who don't manage to put a belly on, you can buy a removable one.

I don't like my man with a belly, nor me with a belly. I try to stay fit for me and I like him to think I look good for him.

I want him to do also some efforts and stay fit because I want him to be healthy and I find it very attractive.

Call me superficial if you want, but it works well for us.

But are you on the Nice list, or the Naughty list?

Meanwhilez, back on topic...

It's not a conscious choice, you know? It's an accumulation of unhealthy habits and, in some cases, a propensity to gain rather than lose. Losing weight is soooo hard, it takes effort everyday, being conscious of everything you do and it. But it does feel very good to have people notice that you are doing something right. For me it's one more kilo to go before being merely "overweight" rather than "obese" and I can really feel the difference when I walk up stairs.

The thing is, we know the norm, we live in it immersed everyday (btw, your neighbors or mine? You don't want me to start talking about our mountain goat neighbors, hahaha). Mentioning the norm just for the fairness, maybe I should have done it to make you happy, but honestly, if you go after an every poster here and pedantically request listing the norm and whatever percentage the exception is, this is not a science class here, people will chose whatever way to support their points, or ignore you..I have to say again, some of the things here I do consider excessive, they stick to the memory, if you allow me, so the freaks were mentioned for a purpose. If you noticed, too, it was not just me who noticed the same. I was directing my posts against people who do go into extremes, it is unappealing to me. My intention was not to present some descriptive picture what Swiss society is. If I decide to ponder over extremes, why not? I have met enough of examples of excessive attention not really to health but body image since it is so important here, fat people do not seem to be tolerated at all, that's my experience and I try to change the mindset a tad, in my classes, not to make kids fat and lazy and justify it, but to tolerate others who might have their own private reasons for not being your usual type. Another stereotype I like my students to focus on is actually to go for health and fitness, not for being thin. And I have met young people who freakishly focused on being thin, it was worrying. So, the examples were fun, but used for purpose, too. Now - not everyone will argue with you the way you like and accept, if people do not wish to get into it, they won't. Happy? You have the annoyance of overly PC culture, and then I feel there can be the annoyance of overly self righteous, anti PC culture.

I could care less for PC, haven't grown up in a PC country, the opposite, in fact. But we don't assume we know why somebody is unhealthy or looks fat and automatically needs to shed weight and we can make nasty comments about it and bully. There are fat people back home, of course, thanks to knedliks, sausages and strudels, and fat people will hear about it, people will let them know. But they will also understand if there is something in people's lives that makes them fat without the people having control over it. The image of overly body conscious person is a bad one back there. Vanity and all. People tend to look at overly fit folks with a suspicion, just like the stereotypes Phil and Kikstter mentioned. Fit is good, overly fit is suspicious and people will also voice that.

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"L'homme ne peut pas remplacer son coeur avec sa tete, ni sa tete avec ses mains." J.H. Pestalozzi

“The only difference between a rut and a grave is a matter of depth.” S.P. Cadman

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." A. Einstein

I have been on a diet and fitness kick for 7 months, and I do not think I have become a bigger pain in the ass than I already was.

The opposite in fact. I am a lot happier and healthier, with less mood swings. I have not gone overboard with anything, I just took it into my own hands.

Instead of whinging about it, I got up and did something. I still eat what I want on the weekends, I make myself train 3-4 times a week and I always feel better afterwards.

It is possible to find the balance.

Whilst I love the genetics argument, sometimes it would just be more effective for people to stop blaming outside forces and complaining, and give it a go.

Once you get into a routine, then everything is so much easier.

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