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  • Your tax shelters are limited -- if you use the Swiss pension scheme ("pillars 2 and 3") to reduce your CH taxes, as the Swiss do, the US will tax the money you put in -- and then the Swiss will tax it when you take it out, resulting in double taxation of those CHF's. People in the financial world may have finagled some other way to shelter money (non-qualified deferred compensation plan in the States? I think there are some fancy and advantageous expat contracts out there, but we are local).
Can you please explain how this works. My gross Swiss income is slightly under the FEIE limit. (not taking into account taxes, housing exemptions)

Say for example i earn 50,000 gross, I pay my contributions to AHV, PK, and the employer gives a matching portion of that as well into the system. Does that mean that my actual income in the eyes of the US is 50K+ whatever my employer contributions are?
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Can you please explain how this works. My gross Swiss income is slightly under the FEIE limit. (not taking into account taxes, housing exemptions)

Say for example i earn 50,000 gross, I pay my contributions to AHV, PK, and the employer gives a matching portion of that as well into the system. Does that mean that my actual income in the eyes of the US is 50K+ whatever my employer contributions are?
If you earn chf 50k gross or even up to whatever 90k usd is in chf (depending on exchange rates) and you don't have major income from investments you will not owe the US govt anything. You still need to file a return but can download turbotax and it's easy step by step.
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Well in my case I have no 'extra' deductions and I've never been subject to US tax. Keep in mind the US tax is only on the amount above the exemption, not your entire income. Also we are only talking about US federal since you don't have to pay state tax (maybe some expats might who are on a short term work assignment though).

I calculate my tax rate every year as a 'flat tax' and my overall rate is about 10% less than what it was in the US.

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If you earn chf 50k gross or even up to whatever 90k usd is in chf (depending on exchange rates) and you don't have major income from investments you will not owe the US govt anything. You still need to file a return but can download turbotax and it's easy step by step.
So what happens if you are slightly under the tax threshold and your company's contribution to your AHV and Pensionskasse takes you over the threshold?
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So what happens if you are slightly under the tax threshold and your company's contribution to your AHV and Pensionskasse takes you over the threshold?
Technically, Pensionskasse counts as income and you should include
it on your return.
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Technically, Pensionskasse counts as income and you should include
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Thanks! The employers contribution to the AHV does not count as income then.
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Thanks! The employers contribution to the AHV does not count as income then.
To be honest, I am not sure, but I do not declare it personally.

There is an American CPA here that specializes in taxes.

Do you want her contact?
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Sure, should be beneficial.
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I have a question- as an American with 2 children (both are dual US/CH), can I claim the child credits for them or do we need to physically live stateside to claim it?
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yes you can claim it.
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Re: FAQ: Expat's Guide to US Tax

Thank you! The following link was really helpful!

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As US tax season is rapidly approaching, I thought I would take a few moments to share with others on EF the single-best resource on US taxes for expats that I've come across: The Expat's Guide to US Taxes
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Re: FAQ: Expat's Guide to US Tax

Are capital gains really 100% US tax liable?

I recently sold some stocks with a capital gain. My US tax preparer advised that I can't counter this with any Swiss tax credits since CH has no tax on capital gains. He says each category of income is separate. Could anyone confirm if this is correct?
This means that any gains in investment income would be 100% taxable in the US regardless whether one is below the FEIE.
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I recently sold some stocks with a capital gain. My US tax preparer advised that I can't counter this with any Swiss tax credits since CH has no tax on capital gains. He says each category of income is separate. Could anyone confirm if this is correct?

This means that any gains in investment income would be 100% taxable in the US regardless whether one is below the FEIE.
He is correct. You cannot combine categories of income. I have this issue each year because I have foreign tax credits that I carry forward each year. I can use these credits against my earned income, but not any other categories.

Also, dividends don't fall under the FEIE. The clue is in the second 'E' (FEIE), which stands for Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. Dividends are unearned income, not earned income.
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.....The clue is in the second 'E' (FEIE), which stands for Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. Dividends are unearned income, not earned income.
But what about the 350.-- CHF interest that my savings accounst bequested me with last year! I didn't "Earn" them either!
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But what about the 350.-- CHF interest that my savings accounst bequested me with last year! I didn't "Earn" them either!
I am guessing it is not a serious question, clearly not earned.

That is why retiring abroad with a US tax obligation is near financial suicide, at least in a low income tax country like CH, no FEIE.
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Re: FAQ: Expat's Guide to US Tax

Sorry to drag up an old thread, but I could not find anywhere in the guide where it says Your first $91K earned abroad will not be taxed. Can anyone confirm this is true? Does this mean that I do not need to fill out tax forms until after I have earned 91,000?

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Yes, worry. Whether the impact is material or not depends on how much money you will be earning. Read the guide mentioned above to get a general understanding. We haven't had to do a year of taxes yet, but this is what I've figured out by reading (lots of great info on this site if you dig around a little).

  • Your first $91K earned abroad will not be taxed and you can claim a credit for foreign taxes paid on the rest (i.e. you will not be taxed double).
  • Housing in Geneva is outrageously expensive, but you will get a housing deduction specific to Geneva that may or may not make it worth it.
  • If you end up owing the IRS, it tends to be the difference between what you paid the Swiss government and what you would have paid the US government if you had lived there (i.e. being in a "low tax" country doesn't help you).
  • Your tax shelters are limited -- if you use the Swiss pension scheme ("pillars 2 and 3") to reduce your CH taxes, as the Swiss do, the US will tax the money you put in -- and then the Swiss will tax it when you take it out, resulting in double taxation of those CHF's. People in the financial world may have finagled some other way to shelter money (non-qualified deferred compensation plan in the States? I think there are some fancy and advantageous expat contracts out there, but we are local).
  • You can still take the US deductions that you always have -- charity, mortgage, self-employment expenses, etc.
  • Our tax advisor thought that it would "come out in the wash" based on the information we gave him.
  • Your decision has to be based on a lot more than $$$ or you may be very unhappy.
  • Whatever you do, don't post on EF "Can I survive in Geneva on 120,000 CHF/year".
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Sorry to drag up an old thread, but I could not find anywhere in the guide where it says Your first $91K earned abroad will not be taxed. Can anyone confirm this is true? Does this mean that I do not need to fill out tax forms until after I have earned 91,000?
You are referring to the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion, which is $97,600 for 2013. You can exclude this income, but you still need to file a tax return.

http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/Inter...come-Exclusion
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Re: FAQ: Expat's Guide to US Tax

Thanks for the link!

So basically every year, I fill out a tax return but never owe US taxes because I earn under the FEIE?

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You are referring to the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion, which is $97,600 for 2013. You can exclude this income, but you still need to file a tax return.

http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/Inter...come-Exclusion
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Thanks for the link!

So basically every year, I fill out a tax return but never owe US taxes because I earn under the FEIE?
That's the gist, but be aware that there might be some complications. For instance, time spent working in the US, such as business trips while resident abroad, could reduce the FEIE. Also be aware that investment income might be treated differently in CH and in the US.

OH, and whatever you do - don't forget your FBAR!
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Thanks. Oh boy I don't even know what FBAR stands for. Commencing more google research.
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That's the gist, but be aware that there might be some complications. For instance, time spent working in the US, such as business trips while resident abroad, could reduce the FEIE. Also be aware that investment income might be treated differently in CH and in the US.

OH, and whatever you do - don't forget your FBAR!
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