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Paying alimony for kids living in US, should I pay lower tax?

Hello,
I am EU citizen, working and living in BS, divorced, paying alimony (divorce in EU), for kids staying with mother in US.
Should it have any influence on the amount of taxes I am paying? Right now i pay as a singe person with no kids.

I have found the document
( http://www.steuerverwaltung.bs.ch/19...und_tarife.pdf )
that I believe says that I have to pay less taxes that I am paying now.

Can anyone have any experience with similar case?
Thanks, nodla
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Old 21.02.2011, 14:59
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Re: Paying alimony for kids living in US, should I pay lower tax?

I'm no expert, but I believe that if you are paying maintenance monies for children overseas this should be declared on your swiss tax form. What you then owe in tax is calculated with this included.

If you can prove that this is the case, I'm sure it is worth discussing with your local tax office.
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Re: Paying alimony for kids living in US, should I pay lower tax?

Thank You!
so I think there is not an issue of changing tax status from a0 to 33 but rather correcting yearly statement, right?
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Old 23.02.2011, 10:54
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Re: Paying alimony for kids living in US, should I pay lower tax?

Nodla, on the tax return form for the year 2010 (which has to be returned to the Gemeinde around 25.03.2011) is a place for noting down all the money you have paid your ex- wife.

You would need to give the tax office a photocopy of your divorce papers which shows how much and to whom you have to pay. You would also need to show you have paid it, so also copies of bank statements.

All the money you pay her will be tax free, and this money might be returned to you around Christmas 2012...

Maybe you should find help if you don't speak German? You might find one here that speaks English and understands taxation. Expect to pay about Fr 150 for helping you complete the form http://www.rentarentner.ch/

The Steuererklärung form can be picked up from your Gemeinde office.
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Re: Paying alimony for kids living in US, should I pay lower tax?

Many thanks,
This is exactly what I was trying to find. I think I have found correct form on the web page - if someone needs it here is the link

http://www.steuerverwaltung.bs.ch/19...fkorrektur.pdf

I just started to work in Switzerland this year so I understood the soonest I can make any action is the next year.

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Re: Paying alimony for kids living in US, should I pay lower tax?

i didnt know anything about the child tax credit here in switzerland or the money you can claim on top of what your ex may me getting in the US , after 3 years i was refunded 31,000chf ....so now my tax level is much lower and i get a top up for the child benifit.

your HR depo should help you with tax etc , but your local gemeinde will also help .
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Re: Paying alimony for kids living in US, should I pay lower tax?

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I just started to work in Switzerland this year so I understood the soonest I can make any action is the next year.

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No this is not true. You are taxed at source based upon your status. ie it appears A0 or single person no kids. This is inaccurate. You need to have this changed and then your quellensteuer or tax at source will be adjusted accordingly. The Swiss are good at this it happens all the time. You should go with the relevant documents to your HR. IF that fails you need to contact the cantonal not gemeinde (but if you are in BS I think they are both the same) tax office who can formally adjust your status. If the route you need to take is the second of these then I am afraid your PAYE will be overtaxed until you can claim it back in 2012, unless your salary is sufficiently low that you need the money to live in which case place a request for social assistance and watch how quickly they react
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No this is not true. You are taxed at source based upon your status. ie it appears A0 or single person no kids. This is inaccurate. You need to have this changed and then your quellensteuer or tax at source will be adjusted accordingly. The Swiss are good at this it happens all the time. You should go with the relevant documents to your HR.
Yes I am taxed as A0, but if you take a look at this document:
http://www.steuerverwaltung.bs.ch/19...und_tarife.pdf
it is written - at page 8:
"Für .. geschiedene quellensteuerpflichtige ...welche Alimente bezahlen, ist immer der Tarif A / 0 anzuwenden. Die steuerliche Berücksichtigung der tatsächlich geleisteten Alimentenzahlungen ist durch die steuerpflichtige Person nach Abschluss des Steuerjahres ... bei der Steuerverwaltung zu beantragen." - which I believe means that i need to file claim for a tax return by the end of the march next year. Of course it is probably better for me to go and ask about it in person there. Nevertheless it does not make too much sense for me since if I pay now tax according to my salary and effectively my salary is smaller so why should I be on the same tax segment as if I earn more?
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Re: Paying alimony for kids living in US, should I pay lower tax?

A = Single
B = Married / or with partner
A0 = single without child
B1,2,3 = married with 1,2,or 3 kids ,

speak to your HR depo they should sort this out ...
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Yes I am taxed as A0, but if you take a look at this document:
http://www.steuerverwaltung.bs.ch/19...und_tarife.pdf
it is written - at page 8:
"Für .. geschiedene quellensteuerpflichtige ...welche Alimente bezahlen, ist immer der Tarif A / 0 anzuwenden. Die steuerliche Berücksichtigung der tatsächlich geleisteten Alimentenzahlungen ist durch die steuerpflichtige Person nach Abschluss des Steuerjahres ... bei der Steuerverwaltung zu beantragen." - which I believe means that i need to file claim for a tax return by the end of the march next year. Of course it is probably better for me to go and ask about it in person there. Nevertheless it does not make too much sense for me since if I pay now tax according to my salary and effectively my salary is smaller so why should I be on the same tax segment as if I earn more?
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Re: Paying alimony for kids living in US, should I pay lower tax?

Dear All,
I clarified all and know what I should do now. Unfortunately there is no way to change tax group, one thing one can do is just file tax correction form after the end of the year.
Thanks to Ittigen, Callyandtorse, and itsmeagain and nigelr for trying to help me - Ittigen was right about procedure.
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Re: Paying alimony for kids living in US, should I pay lower tax?

Thank you Nodla for the thanks.

Are you receiving childrens' allowance? It is about CHF 200 per child per month and is payable by your employer even if your child lives abroad.

Your employer needs the "Family Buchlein" or photocopies of the childrens' birth certificates showing you are the father. Also required is a photocopy of the divorce papers showing you support them. Probably also a copy of your permit and passport. You need to complete an application form and then your employer sends it all to a cantonal office and a few weeks later he receives the money and gives it to you tax free. The amount paid depends on the canton where you work.

When the children reach the age of 16 it ceases. But it is increased to around Sfr 350 if they are studying in Switzerland.
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Re: Paying alimony for kids living in US, should I pay lower tax?

I applied for it but i will not get it. It is not possible for me because of FamZV art. 7 abs. 1 that says that one cannot get in the case when there is no international agreement/treaty between two countries regarding this subject and there is no such an agreement with USA. So i got denial here.
It seems that if your kids are in USA you cannot do anything with taxes.
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