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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

We have three daughters. 20, 18 and 16. We came to Ch in May. Dual citizens CH and NZ. All born in NZ. 20yo in NZ studying Radiography. 18yo here with us in CH doing a Praktikum at a Kita, year long finishing end July. 16yo living in NZ with Grossi still at high school. All girls have both CH and NZ citizenships.

We have been told different things. That we needed to prove tertiary training or high school attendance for two girls, and copy of Vertrag for daughter at Kita. Which we have done. Now told no child benefit for two living and studying in NZ and no child benefit for daughter doing the Praktikum until they have evidence of an internship. Surely you can get the child benefit for a Praktikum? Don't a lot of swiss do more than one before they make a choice to do the Lehre?

Also the boss is looking to save himself money and effort. He has a lot of non-swiss workers who don't know any better and believe him when he says "no we don't do that in Switzerland " but we have other swiss family who tell us he's telling porkies.

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Old 19.11.2015, 17:18
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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

Have you read the complete thread? The answers are there.
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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

Sbrinz, so I need to follow up by finding the E411 and downloading it, then give it to husband's obstructive employer, insisting on payment and that we are due payment for all three daughters, irrespective of whether 18yo only has a Praktikum. And refer them to sva website for their own clarification of our rights. Hubbies boss is very slippery and only interested in the money. You don't think there is any likelihood of him telling us we are not entitled but claiming it and pocketing it himself?
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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

Studying in other countries often doesn't count (it didn't for the 6 months my daughter was going to high-school in the US, for example).

Nor do parkticums or stages.

And it wasn't the employer that had a problem with this, but rather the cantonal autorities.

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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

Family Allowance (AFAM) for divorced parent of child resident in Germany

I have read the thread and hope I understand correctly...this could be very good news!

But I am not sure if it applies to me:

1. I live and work in Canton Zug (Permit B)
2. My son (6 yrs old) lives in Germany with his natural mother
3. We are legally divorced
4. Mother gets Child Benefit paid to her in Germany, under German laws
5. I pay a monthly child maintenance payment to my ex (the mother) based on German Düsseldorfer Tabelle (link) as was agreed in our Divorce Agreement

So I believe under the Swiss/EU agreement I could get CHF200 per month, which I could use towards the payments I make to my ex for Child Maintenance.

I think I need to complete form E411 and hand it to my employer...and then exercise extreme patience

Does this sound about right? Some posters have indicated maybe I would receive an amount minus what my ex is paid in Germany; but I have no idea how much benefit she gets.

I do not want to affect her payments she gets under German law. I am just hoping under Swiss law I might get a payment I can put towards the amount I pay per month, to my ex, for child maintenance.
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Old 15.11.2016, 10:01
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Some posters have indicated maybe I would receive an amount minus what my ex is paid in Germany; but I have no idea how much benefit she gets.
That, or perhaps nothing at all.

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Family Allowance (AFAM) for divorced parent of child resident in Germany

I have read the thread and hope I understand correctly...this could be very good news!

But I am not sure if it applies to me:

1. I live and work in Canton Zug (Permit B)
2. My son (6 yrs old) lives in Germany with his natural mother
3. We are legally divorced
4. Mother gets Child Benefit paid to her in Germany, under German laws
5. I pay a monthly child maintenance payment to my ex (the mother) based on German Düsseldorfer Tabelle (link) as was agreed in our Divorce Agreement

So I believe under the Swiss/EU agreement I could get CHF200 per month, which I could use towards the payments I make to my ex for Child Maintenance.

I think I need to complete form E411 and hand it to my employer...and then exercise extreme patience

Does this sound about right? Some posters have indicated maybe I would receive an amount minus what my ex is paid in Germany; but I have no idea how much benefit she gets.

I do not want to affect her payments she gets under German law. I am just hoping under Swiss law I might get a payment I can put towards the amount I pay per month, to my ex, for child maintenance.
As the child's mother is claiming child benefit for your son in Germany you can't claim the full amount here. You may be entitled to claim the difference between the German allowance and the Swiss allowance if the Swiss allowance is higher but that's all.
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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

After going through the hoops to get this allowance here, you need to realise that you only get a family allowance in one place, so if your ex wife claims in Germany that is where it will be based and as previously said you could maybe claim the difference between Swiss and German allowances.

I guess that you could claim something for the fact that you have a child and are paying maintenance for said child.

My experiences were based on one child here and 2 UK based university students who have to submit each year info from the university confirming their enrollment .

Good luck and as said above be aware that they may well check the status of any claim annually.
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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

Geez, me and the partner work in different cantons and my employer pays a family allowance (3000 per year extra to the child allowance) but partner's employer doesn't.



Now, as my partner works in the kanton where we live she gets the child allowance. I then can't claim the family allowance and we'll miss the extra 300 chf from my employer.


What the hell kind of rule is this? Both eligible parents and a arbitrary order of claiming makes us miss out on such a benefit. Jesus.


Anyone else had this?
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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

The allowance is per child, not per parent or per working parent.
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What the hell kind of rule is this? Both eligible parents and a arbitrary order of claiming makes us miss out on such a benefit. Jesus.


Anyone else had this?
The extra 3K is a perk of the job, its your employer’s money so they get to decide the rules. Take it up with them. Although it is the common approach, so I doubt you’ll get very far.
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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

The cantonal family allowance is something you don't have any control on.
You only get one for child, and there are rules to decide which employer give you the money (they don't pay it themselves, they get the money from the canton).
In this case, it's your wife. If your canton has higher family allowance, you can ask for the difference.


Employers then may offer their own benefits. For example, my employer tops up the family allowance to 4500 per year. Therefore they only need to get a letter from the other employer certifying how much we are already receiving from them, and they pay the difference.


Check well with your employer.
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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

My question is about tax on the child allowance given by the canton (not employer family allowance as my employer doesn't give family benefit).

Is one supposed to declare the child benefit they receive in the year end tax declaration?

I'm doing this first time in kt.ZH online tax services portal and i do see a section where it asks child/family allowance (Renten und Versicherungen section of the applicaiton) but it also asks to upload a receipt (proof). I don't remember getting a statement from AHV and also its not mentioned on my salary certificate.

How do you guys get the receipt for child allowance ? Anyone with experience on this? Thanks in advance
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My question is about tax on the child allowance given by the canton (not employer family allowance as my employer doesn't give family benefit).

Is one supposed to declare the child benefit they receive in the year end tax declaration?

I'm doing this first time in kt.ZH online tax services portal and i do see a section where it asks child/family allowance (Renten und Versicherungen section of the applicaiton) but it also asks to upload a receipt (proof). I don't remember getting a statement from AHV and also its not mentioned on my salary certificate.

How do you guys get the receipt for child allowance ? Anyone with experience on this? Thanks in advance
If you are entitled to child benefit your company should give it’s it comes with your salary.
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My question is about tax on the child allowance given by the canton (not employer family allowance as my employer doesn't give family benefit).

Is one supposed to declare the child benefit they receive in the year end tax declaration?

I'm doing this first time in kt.ZH online tax services portal and i do see a section where it asks child/family allowance (Renten und Versicherungen section of the applicaiton) but it also asks to upload a receipt (proof). I don't remember getting a statement from AHV and also its not mentioned on my salary certificate.

How do you guys get the receipt for child allowance ? Anyone with experience on this? Thanks in advance
Your yearly salary statement will indicate in the comments if child allowance is includednin the gross salary. If it does not (I had one employer who did not include for some reason) then you simply declare it yourself. But would say in KT Zurich most should declare it.
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If you are entitled to child benefit your company should give it’s it comes with your salary.
Thanks, yes i am entitled to it and i have received the payments in the year 2021. My question was more in the direction of declaring it in the tax returns and the receipt for the payment which i haven't received and is not mentioned on my salary certificate.

Just FYI, In my case the payment for child benefit doesn't come with salary, it arrives 2 weeks after my salary is paid.
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Your yearly salary statement will indicate in the comments if child allowance is includednin the gross salary. If it does not (I had one employer who did not include for some reason) then you simply declare it yourself. But would say in KT Zurich most should declare it.
Great thanks, all clear now.
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Thanks, yes i am entitled to it and i have received the payments in the year 2021. My question was more in the direction of declaring it in the tax returns and the receipt for the payment which i haven't received and is not mentioned on my salary certificate.

Just FYI, In my case the payment for child benefit doesn't come with salary, it arrives 2 weeks after my salary is paid.

It appears that a compensation fund, rather than your employer, is paying you the family/ children allowance directly. If this is the case, you should separately declare this allowance at 3.4 on your Ct. Zurich tax return and include a certificate with the submission.
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