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Family Allowance & Child Benefit

Have searched the forum for information on the above and have found most of what I need - Thanks.

However, I have been told that you can claim Family Allowance on top of Child Benefit (some friends get 200 ChF Child Benefit per child plus 130 ChF Family Allowance per month). Does anyone have any information on where I can get hold of the foms to claim Family Allowance?

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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

200 CHF of child allowance per child in BL. It's paid directly by the employer.

Not sure about the family allowance.
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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

Child allowance is paid by SVA through your employer. Family allowance is a limited benefit that employers are allowed to pay on top of child allowance. The employer get the child allowance back (via a reduction in the AHV/SVA bill) but does not get the family allowance back.

Family allowance is, therefore, a benefit paid by some employers to those employees meeting there own criteria. There is no requirement for a company to make such payments. There is no automatic entitlement to such payments.
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Child allowance is paid by SVA through your employer. Family allowance is a limited benefit that employers are allowed to pay on top of child allowance. The employer get the child allowance back (via a reduction in the AHV/SVA bill) but does not get the family allowance back.

Family allowance is, therefore, a benefit paid by some employers to those employees meeting there own criteria. There is no requirement for a company to make such payments. There is no automatic entitlement to such payments.
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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

Hi,

Do you know if the children have to live here as well in order to be eligible for the benefit? (like being registered)

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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

I know that my company in Basel offers the family allowance for example but only in combination with the child allowance, makes sense I think.
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Hi,

Do you know if the children have to live here as well in order to be eligible for the benefit? (like being registered)

Gaijin

I am still in the process of claiming CB.

I can claim for my children living in the UK.
I will get the full allowance , less what they pay the Mother in the UK (who receives UK Child benefit). The amounts are not insignificant. (400CHF less 140)

My employer has attempted to contact the UK authorities , they have had no reply for 6 months).

Once I can put this matter to bed , I will publish my experience here.

3 children two are naturally mine, one is my partners (soon to be wife). One of mine, and my partners child live with me in Zurich. The other with his Mother in the UK. To this date, 16 months later, I have not received a penny from my employer. The delay is not on my part.
Patience is a virtue in non standard situations.
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I am still in the process of claiming CB.

I can claim for my children living in the UK.
I will get the full allowance , less what they pay the Mother in the UK (who receives UK Child benefit). The amounts are not insignificant. (400CHF less 140)

My employer has attempted to contact the UK authorities , they have had no reply for 6 months).

Once I can put this matter to bed , I will publish my experience here.

3 children two are naturally mine, one is my partners (soon to be wife). One of mine, and my partners child live with me in Zurich. The other with his Mother in the UK. To this date, 16 months later, I have not received a penny from my employer. The delay is not on my part.
Patience is a virtue in non standard situations.
I don't believe that you can claim for UK based children - I was informed by SVA and my employers (both as I have had 2 jobs here) that it is only for children in Switzerland. In my 5 full years here I haven't had a single franc for my UK based children even though I pay alot in maintenance fees to my ex-wife and this is all on my tax return. I get the 200CHF for my Swiss daughter though.
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I don't believe that you can claim for UK based children - I was informed by SVA and my employers (both as I have had 2 jobs here) that it is only for children in Switzerland. In my 5 full years here I haven't had a single franc for my UK based children even though I pay alot in maintenance fees to my ex-wife and this is all on my tax return. I get the 200CHF for my Swiss daughter though.

You can, and I have. You have to fill in. Form E411 and hand to your employer.


Supplementary form for families with children, who are living in an EU/EFTA country

Employees, whose families are resident in an EU/EFTA country must fill, in addition, the Form 411 (Point A, 1-4, as well as point B, 8 and 9) and add to the above application.

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I don't believe that you can claim for UK based children - I was informed by SVA and my employers (both as I have had 2 jobs here) that it is only for children in Switzerland. In my 5 full years here I haven't had a single franc for my UK based children even though I pay alot in maintenance fees to my ex-wife and this is all on my tax return. I get the 200CHF for my Swiss daughter though.
I also know of someone who hets family allowance for his kids in the UK so it can be done
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I don't believe that you can claim for UK based children - I was informed by SVA and my employers (both as I have had 2 jobs here) that it is only for children in Switzerland. In my 5 full years here I haven't had a single franc for my UK based children even though I pay alot in maintenance fees to my ex-wife and this is all on my tax return. I get the 200CHF for my Swiss daughter though.


Move quick, it is backdate-able for 5 years ! Your employer is mistaken, I had a hell of a fight with mine.

Thats a lot of money.
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I don't believe that you can claim for UK based children - I was informed by SVA and my employers (both as I have had 2 jobs here) that it is only for children in Switzerland. In my 5 full years here I haven't had a single franc for my UK based children even though I pay alot in maintenance fees to my ex-wife and this is all on my tax return. I get the 200CHF for my Swiss daughter though.
Yep, as the others have said.

I think your employers either aren't informed or are hoping you won't push further. I used to work with a guy whose UK based kids benefited from the Swiss child allowance.

Push it with them.
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Form 411 attached.

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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

Why would some employers not facilitate this as they get it back anyway? (see first posts)
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Why would some employers not facilitate this as they get it back anyway? (see first posts)
Extra admin, it's a pain in the backside. Maybe a lack of training too...
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Why would some employers not facilitate this as they get it back anyway? (see first posts)
Some just don't know - big international firms are going to be more clued up on expats and various family situations. Smaller Swiss firms which perhaps don't have a lot of expats won't necessarily know what to do or even whether the option exists.

Look at the equivalent in your own country (Romania?) - or in my case, a tin-pot UK employer in Bradford wouldn't know the Swiss-based social security options open to a Swiss expat, for example.
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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

If your child is born outside Switzerland while you are leaving in Switzerland will you get these 200 CHF from the child birthdate or just when the child receives the residency status in switzerlnd?
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If your child is born outside Switzerland while you are living in Switzerland will you get these 200 CHF from the child birthdate or just when the child receives the residency status in switzerlnd?
Just when the child receives the residency status in Switzerland.
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Re: Family Allowance & Child Benefit

Finally, after two years, I am going to be paid family allowance and child benefit. Backdated all the way to Nov 2009. As my employer handles both the child benefit and family allowance , one on behalf of the canton, this will all appear in my pay packet next month...

I fought all the way, escalating through my LM, through the HR then on to the HR director, including the UK ombudsman and the UK justice upper and lower tribunals. Getting Switzerland to discuss with the UK , with two sets of Data Protection Acts in between, and an ex wife refusing to divulge how much she was claiming for child benefit, and for whom , plus getting my employer to legally recognise my partner and her son as part of "my" family alongside my own children.... It wasn't easy. I was alone all the way save for my line manager.

Just in time for Christmas...



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I am still in the process of claiming CB.

I can claim for my children living in the UK.
I will get the full allowance , less what they pay the Mother in the UK (who receives UK Child benefit). The amounts are not insignificant. (400CHF less 140)

My employer has attempted to contact the UK authorities , they have had no reply for 6 months).

Once I can put this matter to bed , I will publish my experience here.

3 children two are naturally mine, one is my partners (soon to be wife). One of mine, and my partners child live with me in Zurich. The other with his Mother in the UK. To this date, 16 months later, I have not received a penny from my employer. The delay is not on my part.
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Finally, after two years, I am going to be paid family allowance and child benefit. Backdated all the way to Nov 2009. As my employer handles both the child benefit and family allowance , one on behalf of the canton, this will all appear in my pay packet next month...

I fought all the way, escalating through my LM, through the HR then on to the HR director, including the UK ombudsman and the UK justice upper and lower tribunals. Getting Switzerland to discuss with the UK , with two sets of Data Protection Acts in between, and an ex wife refusing to divulge how much she was claiming for child benefit, and for whom , plus getting my employer to legally recognise my partner and her son as part of "my" family alongside my own children.... It wasn't easy. I was alone all the way save for my line manager.

Just in time for Christmas...
Be prepared: the allowance is not tax free and if you receive it as a backdated lump sum as I did in the end you'll get less than expected, specially if you pay Quellensteuer.
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