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humano 15.05.2011 16:38

Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive it?
 
Hi,

I have purchased a bike for 999€ in bike-discount.de but I haven't paid yet.
How much do I have to pay when I receive it?

- MwSt. 8% -> 80€
- What more?

*The 19% Deutsche-MwSt. (Tax) is not inclusiv in the quantity that I have to pay.

What more?

A swiss friend told me that I have to pay 33% OF THE TOTAL PRICE!!! But I don't find this information in www.zoll.ch

What do I have to do?

Thanks in advance. :D

sygirl101 15.05.2011 17:08

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
Depends on shipping as well. If DHL is shipping, they'll make you pay at the door. When I ordered some bike components from Germany, they made me pay a total of about 13%, including the MwSt for Switzerland.

But I don't know what shipping you have. 33% sounds unusual, but if you ordered it with ultra expedited shipping, it might cost you a bundle.

humano 15.05.2011 17:20

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
Thanks. I have found this:

Quote:

The delivery is effected via DHL and DPD. You pay the amount to the carrier directly on receipt of the goods. Please observe that a postal surcharge of 2,- € will be charged when choosing C.O.D. A delivery by C.O.D. is only possible within Germany.
http://www.bike-discount.de/inhalt/agb.html

That 13% includes the 8% swiss-VAT (MwSt)?


The colleage bought something in Germany. I don't remember exactly what, but it was 60€, i think. And then he had to pay 30 CHF or so as "Einführungsgebür". I don't know what it is.

sygirl101 16.05.2011 07:05

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
In my 1 singular case, yes.

I bought about 300 Franks worth of equipment. I paid a fee of 23 franks for everything. It was delivered by DHL.

Alchemy 16.05.2011 15:11

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
I bought a triathlon bike for €1800 last year from jedi sports.de and the tax, delivery and import admin came to an extra 220 CHF or so. This was delivered by DPD.

I could imagine Swiss Post adding 33% to the price though as an 'admin fee' :)

cyrus 16.05.2011 15:18

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
I got a bike from Canyon.de, cost around 3000chf, had to pay just under 250chf for the tax.

litespeed 16.05.2011 15:28

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cyrus (Post 1198027)
I got a bike from Canyon.de, cost around 3000chf, had to pay just under 250chf for the tax.

Yep, also bought from Canyon, for about the same price, and paid about the same tax. I went to Koblenz to pick it up, as they are not allowed to deliver to CH anymore due to a name dispute. It was well worth the effort.

litespeed 16.05.2011 15:30

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by litespeed (Post 1198045)
Yep, also bought from Canyon, for about the same price, and paid about the same tax. I went to Koblenz to pick it up, as they are not allowed to deliver to CH anymore due to a name dispute. It was well worth the effort.

A lot depends on the integrity/sloppiness of the sender. For example, I recently bought about 120chf worth of stuff from Hong Kong,and because the sender did not visibly invoice it correctly, I was charged a total of 55chf by customs.

cyrus 16.05.2011 15:38

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by litespeed (Post 1198045)
Yep, also bought from Canyon, for about the same price, and paid about the same tax. I went to Koblenz to pick it up, as they are not allowed to deliver to CH anymore due to a name dispute. It was well worth the effort.

Noticed that on their website when I just checked it, mine was bought a couple of months before they changed the law by the looks of things. It still came with stickers covering all the Canyon logos on the bike, replacing them with another name, the stickers were suspiciously easy to remove....

Incredibly happy with the bike, would recomend, even if you have to pick it up, UPS took 3 tries to deliver it anyway.

magyir 16.05.2011 16:12

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
There's a flat fee of 18CHF if delivered by Post plus 8% of the value (incl. postage costs)once it exceeds a certain amount approx 62CHF if not a gift (then 100CHF). From the post website:

In principle, every item sent from abroad is subject to customs duties and VAT.

There is no special exemption limit like that allowed for passengers carrying goods with them, only a duty-exemption limit.

Accordingly, customs duties and VAT are not charged if the amount calculated is less than CHF 5 for each customs declaration.

Furthermore, gifts mailed from individuals living abroad to individuals in Switzerland are duty-exempt up to a value of CHF 100. Goods purchased on the Internet do not satisfy these conditions and are subject to duty in accordance with the general provisions.

The maximum values for VAT-exempt imports are:

8% VAT (the majority of items sent) => CHF 62
2,5% VAT (e.g. books) => CHF 200

http://www.post.ch/en/post-startseit...l.htm#txt32983

humano 16.05.2011 21:48

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by magyir (Post 1198101)
The maximum values for VAT-exempt imports are:

8% VAT (the majority of items sent) => CHF 62
2,5% VAT (e.g. books) => CHF 200
]

What does => mean?

ukal123 18.05.2011 10:58

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
The easyest way I personally found to deal with ordering thing from Germany or anywere in Europ, is get it sent to an address in Germany just at the border (20min car drive from Zurich)there are allot of stores that offer the service, and bring it over yourself, you might have to pay the 7% at the border not sure if its an item for personel use...

ElggDK 18.05.2011 11:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukal123 (Post 1200238)
The easyest way I personally found to deal with ordering thing from Germany or anywere in Europ, is get it sent to an address in Germany just at the border (20min car drive from Zurich)there are allot of stores that offer the service, and bring it over yourself, you might have to pay the 7% at the border not sure if its an item for personel use...

You may find it easy but you are fooling yourself because if it is shipped directly to CH you can save the 19% German VAT.

There is a 12 chf import tax on bikes plus 8 % VAT. Handling fee is different from one transport company to the other.

varun.c.jain 10.06.2011 14:31

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
I ordered one from bike-discount.de this month, a simple one worth 529,- € (I paid 452,- € after removal of Germany VAT), and I just got a call from the DHL center at Basel. They said that the cumulative charges will be CHF204.-. They said when I get the invoice on Tuesday, it will contain the details of these charges. I'm quite curious to know how the calculation was made :msnsarcastic:

fkriszti 10.06.2011 14:38

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
Can you give me some examples of such companies close to the border? Do they give you an "Ausfuhrbescheiningung"? Or how do you claim the German VAT?
thanks! fkriszti

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukal123 (Post 1200238)
The easyest way I personally found to deal with ordering thing from Germany or anywere in Europ, is get it sent to an address in Germany just at the border (20min car drive from Zurich)there are allot of stores that offer the service, and bring it over yourself, you might have to pay the 7% at the border not sure if its an item for personel use...


Custodian 10.06.2011 15:02

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fkriszti (Post 1224635)
Can you give me some examples of such companies close to the border? Do they give you an "Ausfuhrbescheiningung"? Or how do you claim the German VAT?
thanks! fkriszti

Sent you a PM
Hope it's helpfull.

st2lemans 10.06.2011 15:07

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by varun.c.jain (Post 1224620)
I ordered one from bike-discount.de this month, a simple one worth 529,- € (I paid 452,- € after removal of Germany VAT), and I just got a call from the DHL center at Basel. They said that the cumulative charges will be CHF204.-. They said when I get the invoice on Tuesday, it will contain the details of these charges. I'm quite curious to know how the calculation was made :msnsarcastic:

DHL often has expensive charges.

So, figure about 50 for VAT, anther 50 for handling chrges, but what's with the other 100, I'd be interested in hearing!

Tom

varun.c.jain 10.06.2011 15:20

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1224669)
So, figure about 50 for VAT, anther 50 for handling chrges, but what's with the other 100, I'd be interested in hearing!

yeah, that's about how much I figured it should come up to... the guy on the phone said this includes 8%VAT, import duty, handling charges, etc... I am sure its not an unaffordable amount, but the fact that it is double of what I was expecting is gettin' me feel a bit flared up :msnmad:
this was done at the recommendation of a German colleague... now I am really wondering whether it was worth the trouble... and couldn't I have just bought a good bike in the same amount here in CH... or maybe not... dunno :confused:

ElggDK 10.06.2011 23:17

I honestly believe that they have made a mistake. Last time I had a bike delivered by DHL they by mistake sent me two invoices and they used two different handling fees. When I called and have one of the invoices cancelled I asked about the fee and she gave me a lame explanation about different DHL products. One was DHL express the other not. However, as the fees were based on the same invoice they should have been identical.

My bike was approx. 1475 CHF and the total invoice was about CHF 150, so I am sure yours is wrong as your bike is only approx. 600 CHF plus shipping.

They charge you 12 CHF in import duty, 8% VAT and about 50 CHF in handling fee.

Good luck fighting the invoice. Please report back about the outcome.

varun.c.jain 14.06.2011 10:43

Re: Buying a bike in online-shop in Germany. How much do I have to pay when I receive
 
So here's how the invoice looks:


Einfuhrzollabfertigung - 60.00
Einfuhrsteuerabfertigung - 10.00
Einfuhrsteuer gemäss Quittung - 47.55
Kapitalbereitstellungsgebühr. Steuern - 5.00
Einfuhrzoll gamäss Quittung - 12.00
Kapitalbereitstellungsgebühr Zölle - 5.00
Datatax / NCTS / E-Dec-Gebühr - 22.65
Nachnahmegebühr - 35.00
Administrations costs - 6.80

Out of these costs, Einfuhrsteuer gemäss Quittung - 47.55 and Einfuhrzoll gamäss Quittung - 12.00 are counted as "Total nicht steuerpflichtig" and the rest as "Total MWSt-frei".

GRAND TOTAL - 204.00

How do I find anything wrong with this?


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