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IRS satisfaction survey for taxpayers abroad

Here’s your chance to tell the IRS (officially) what you think of the service offered to those of us living abroad. It’s all multiple choices, with the chance to add info by use of the ‘other’ button on a few questions. The last question offers the opportunity to describe ‘barriers’ you’ve encountered in finding information.

If you’re happy with everything, here’s your chance to say so. If you’re unhappy, it may result in improvements to the service. Then again, pigs may fly.


http://www.aca.ch/nu/irssurv.htm
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Old 21.05.2011, 21:53
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Re: IRS satisfaction survey for taxpayers abroad

That's brilliant. The form is as backwards as an actual tax return - you can tell that they were made by the same kinds of people. There was a double negative question on there that made my head hurt...

In any case, our problem with the tax system from abroad has nothing to do with the services the IRS provides!
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Old 21.05.2011, 22:08
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In any case, our problem with the tax system from abroad has nothing to do with the services the IRS provides!
The problem is they're taxing non-residents!
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Re: IRS satisfaction survey for taxpayers abroad

The agents are entrusted with enforcing the law....

The law in itself is screwed, but we should not get mad at the agents.
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Old 22.05.2011, 01:04
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The problem is they're taxing non-residents!
Yawn, same old story, that's the way the US is. Renounce your citizenship already.
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Old 22.05.2011, 01:10
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Yawn, same old story, that's the way the US is. Renounce your citizenship already.
I really cannot comprehend why you think it is right, fair or proper for them to tax US citizens not taking advantage of the "benefits" of taxation (such as infrastructure, etc.) - particularly when we have no representation.

It is as if you follow blindly whatever those in authority tell you is good for you. Even if it is nonsensical.
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Old 22.05.2011, 01:20
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I really cannot comprehend why you think it is right, fair or proper for them to tax US citizens not taking advantage of the "benefits" of taxation (such as infrastructure, etc.) - particularly when we have no representation.

It is as if you follow blindly whatever those in authority tell you is good for you. Even if it is nonsensical.
You think that's all the benefits, infrastructure etc. What about defense , what about governments evacuating it's citizens abroad in emergencies. I could say same thing about the UK, I pay taxes, but would not be able to collect benefits. How is that fair ?
I'll always be American and proud to be. Doesn't mean that I never disagree with what the American goverment does,

I guess the myopic view is that taxes pay for roads, and I don't drive on those roads , so why so I pay, I mean, I don't live there, I can't go to a town meeting, it's not fair I tell you, not fair at all. I'm going to ......Complain about it on a internet forum, that will change things....I'll show them all this business about paying taxes without representatiion.
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Old 22.05.2011, 01:32
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I really cannot comprehend why you think it is right, fair or proper for them to tax US citizens not taking advantage of the "benefits" of taxation (such as infrastructure, etc.) - particularly when we have no representation.

It is as if you follow blindly whatever those in authority tell you is good for you. Even if it is nonsensical.
Forget to add. so I guess citizenship for you is taking advantage of all the benefits. Inthe words of the great JFK, Ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country.
Btw, some more benefits that US citizens alone get even without represenation abroad accoding to you.
Retire abroad,collect SS
Financial Aid
Consulate /Embassy assistance
all property left to a spouse ( if a US citizen) is free from estate tax
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Old 22.05.2011, 01:38
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You think that's all the benefits, infrastructure etc. What about defense , what about governments evacuating it's citizens abroad in emergencies. I could say same thing about the UK, I pay taxes, but would not be able to collect benefits. How is that fair ?
I'll always be American and proud to be. Doesn't mean that I never disagree with what the American goverment does,

I guess the myopic view is that taxes pay for roads, and I don't drive on those roads , so why so I pay, I mean, I don't live there, I can't go to a town meeting, it's not fair I tell you, not fair at all. I'm going to ......Complain about it on a internet forum, that will change things....I'll show them all this business about paying taxes without representatiion.
Defense for the American public, you mean? The place where I don't live?

Amazing how every other first world government in the world, and the majority of the rest, don't tax their non-resident citizens - yet still provide consular services.

When I moved from Switzerland, my tax obligations to them stopped with the date of my exit. I never have to tell them about a bank account, file a tax return, etc. until I return. Yet I still get the same consular services that I would from the US embassy.

This has nothing to do with being proud to be American. It has everything to do with being fair. Their policy isn't fair, and it is penalizing law abiding citizens who, for one reason or another, decide to reside outside their shores.

Giving me (or at least trying to, since you're so deep into the red you can't) negative rep for this is just absurd.
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Old 22.05.2011, 01:45
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Defense for the American public, you mean? The place where I don't live?

Amazing how every other first world government in the world, and the majority of the rest, don't tax their non-resident citizens - yet still provide consular services.

When I moved from Switzerland, my tax obligations to them stopped with the date of my exit. I never have to tell them about a bank account, file a tax return, etc. until I return. Yet I still get the same consular services that I would from the US embassy.

This has nothing to do with being proud to be American. It has everything to do with being fair. Their policy isn't fair, and it is penalizing law abiding citizens who, for one reason or another, decide to reside outside their shores.

Giving me (or at least trying to, since you're so deep into the red you can't) negative rep for this is just absurd.
America defends it's citizens world wide. As do most countries.
Switzerland is it's own country, with it's own laws.
The simplest solution is to do something about it. As an American,you do have a choice. I still get the satisfaction. Rep on here is absurd either way. Just fosters cliques, and discourages dissenting opinions, and propogates the false belief that all green rep people must know everything, which of course is not true. Do people do that in real life, give points (+-) based on what they say?
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The agents are entrusted with enforcing the law....

The law in itself is screwed, but we should not get mad at the agents.
You should know better than me, and I don't want to make a fool out of myself. Isn't it true that while American citizens abroad are still obliged to pay taxes, they also still have representation in Congress and can vote in local and federal elections?
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America defends it's citizens world wide. As do most countries.
And most countries do not tax their citizens worldwide, just those resident.

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Switzerland is it's own country, with it's own laws.
Yes, but they don't tax their citizens unless they live there. Yet they provide the same services to overseas citizens that the US does. And overseas residents have a voice in government, with representation.

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The simplest solution is to do something about it. As an American,you do have a choice. I still get the satisfaction.
Actually, the right thing to do about it is protest. Make people aware of this unfair rule. Get the rule changed so others who come after don't have to deal with it.

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Rep on here is absurd either way. Just fosters cliques, and discourages dissenting opinions, and propogates the false belief that all green rep people must know everything, which of course is not true. Do people do that in real life, give points (+-) based on what they say?
Is that because you're full of negative rep?

And, yes, in real life they do that - it just doesn't show.
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Old 22.05.2011, 01:57
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You should know better than me, and I don't want to make a fool out of myself. Isn't it true that while American citizens abroad are still obliged to pay taxes, they also still have representation in Congress and can vote in local and federal elections?
Tell me, if you were a congressperson and a person living in Switzerland contacted you about an issue, would you be very interested? Probably not, you're more worried about what the people who live in the area you represent want/need/feel. As an overseas person, I don't feel that my rep back in the US (who is Kucinich, so we're talking an outspoken liberal here, and someone I'd voted for when I lived there) represents me. He represents those who live where I used to.
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Tell me, if you were a congressperson and a person living in Switzerland contacted you about an issue, would you be very interested? Probably not, you're more worried about what the people who live in the area you represent want/need/feel. As an overseas person, I don't feel that my rep back in the US (who is Kucinich, so we're talking an outspoken liberal here, and someone I'd voted for when I lived there) represents me. He represents those who live where I used to.
Depends on the issue. Have you called Mr Kucinich's office?
So then, vote for someone who represnts your interests (seems to center on infrastructure), don't vote,keep saying it's not fair, or do something about it
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You should know better than me, and I don't want to make a fool out of myself. Isn't it true that while American citizens abroad are still obliged to pay taxes, they also still have representation in Congress and can vote in local and federal elections?
Yes , we still do have representation in Congress, and can vote in federal elections.
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Depends on the issue. Have you called Mr Kucinich's office?
So then, vote for someone who represnts your interests (seems to center on infrastructure), don't vote,keep saying it's not fair, or do something about it
I know, from when I lived there, that he can be extremely responsive to written correspondence. I was corresponding with his office about an issue my university's radio station was facing - from the RIAA and fees.

Besides, he doesn't have a local number for me to call - like he does for those he represents. They don't have to call Washington, they can call his local office. Which is thousands of miles away from me.

The issues I face that he can help with are...um...well, taxation. He can't help me with my trash collection. The state of the roads, either. Domestic issues, you know, things I have nothing to do with. I've not even set foot in the States for years.

So, voting for someone else (who I probably wouldn't agree with, as I do agree with Kuchinich on his stance on how the government should operate, for the most part), how will that change anything as far as what a few expats who don't even live in the district want? It won't. They don't represent me or my interests.
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I know, from when I lived there, that he can be extremely responsive to written correspondence. I was corresponding with his office about an issue my university's radio station was facing - from the RIAA and fees.

Besides, he doesn't have a local number for me to call - like he does for those he represents. They don't have to call Washington, they can call his local office. Which is thousands of miles away from me.

The issues I face that he can help with are...um...well, taxation. He can't help me with my trash collection. The state of the roads, either. Domestic issues, you know, things I have nothing to do with. I've not even set foot in the States for years.

So, voting for someone else (who I probably wouldn't agree with, as I do agree with Kuchinich on his stance on how the government should operate, for the most part), how will that change anything as far as what a few expats who don't even live in the district want? It won't. They don't represent me or my interests.
What does Congress have to do with trash collection. For that I would just call my local government. Why do you keep your citizenship then, if no one represents your roads?
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What does Congress have to do with trash collection. For that I would just call my local government. Why do you keep your citizenship then, if no one represents your roads?
Ah, the crux of the matter. Absolutely nothing. But I can't vote for city counsellors, can I? I have no representation, but my taxes would be taken for interstate highways and the like.

I keep my citizenship, as I have explained to you more than once before, out of respect of my father. After he has left this earth, I'll turn the blue passport in.
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Tell me, if you were a congressperson and a person living in Switzerland contacted you about an issue, would you be very interested? Probably not, you're more worried about what the people who live in the area you represent want/need/feel. As an overseas person, I don't feel that my rep back in the US (who is Kucinich, so we're talking an outspoken liberal here, and someone I'd voted for when I lived there) represents me. He represents those who live where I used to.
If I were a member of Congress and a constituent contacted me from Switzerland, I'd definitely be interested in helping that persion if I knew they could vote for me and more importantly, vote AGAINST me in the next election. Just because someone isn't residing in your state doesn't necessarily mean that that person isn't your constituent. In the last presidential election, both Obama and McCain openly appealed to votes from expatriate citizens living abroad.
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