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Old 20.07.2011, 14:57
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I thought your tax % was less if you were married rather than single, so if they are taxing you as being married all year long means you pay less, how come it is more in your case? I might not understand everything what you say...
It's less if only one of you works.

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Old 20.07.2011, 15:05
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As far as I’m concerned, this is just theft - pure and simple.

I got married on November 28th 2009 in Lausanne where I live. My wife and I worked at this time in Geneve.

We have just received a tax bill of over CHF7’000 from canton Geneve for the period January 1st to November 28th, recalculated using the married persons tax percentage they applied for the entire fiscal period of 2009.

Now I’m sorry, but there is no way on this earth I am paying this tax on the principle (and the fact) that we were not married during this recalculated period! This I have told them and they state that their decision stands and that I have to now go to a tribunal.

This is an unfair taxation on honest people designed for no other justifiable reason than to solely bleed more money from them. As far as I’m concerned, it must contravene an untold number of basic human rights, amongst them the right to decide when you marry (i.e. not based on a cantons tax period) and the right to live in peace and not in a place governed by thieves.

I’d rather go to jail on principle or be forced to leave the country I call home rather than pay this tax or watch them modify our tax codes to steal their unjust gains.
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Yes tax offices are crooks. Most of the tax things are unfair by essence. And yes you are clearly milked to support the "system" or the "society". No, no one will do anything about it, people are passive citizens, accepting anything.


Now Are you paid "A la source"?

1) Yes -> then they start the calculation from the month after the wedding. In your case should have been December.

2) No -> then it's defined as "from the start of the year" even if you are married on 31st december. Stupid and unfair... Workaround: marry in January.

Now you are both working so the tax rate increase for both of you.
If your spouse would be unemployed it will actually lead to a cheaper tax being ripped off your salary.
But we're only talking about a mere 3-4% cheaper and you have 2 persons living on 1 income only.

And don't worry that "advantage" will very quickly be melted to nothing when you will be both working you will be both taxed over 10-15% more.


3) Don't go to jail for that because that's how it is and there's only administrative obeying idiots on the other side and they only want to comply to their stupid rules.
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Old 20.07.2011, 15:09
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Now I’m sorry, but there is no way on this earth I am paying this tax on the principle (and the fact) that we were not married during this recalculated period! This I have told them and they state that their decision stands and that I have to now go to a tribunal.
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These are the rules in Switzerland so don't even bother going to a tribunal. I have paid 20k too much in the last couple of years because I didn't know the rules about what I can claim etc. I had to pay it and move on, I suggest you do the same.
I don't know about your cases, but would like to emphasize that you definitely should check with a tax consultant, and stand your ground.

I have been having trouble with the tax authorities too at the moment.
If I had trusted them and gave in to their threats, it would have cost me 30K of overpaid taxes.

The guy who worked at the tax office and was allocated to my case had no clue about double tax agreements etc.
I was absolutely shocked to find out what incompetence works at Swiss tax authorities.
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Old 20.07.2011, 15:20
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Don't get me started.....
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Re: WARNING: hit with a huge tax bill.

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Swiss law is intentionally kept simple: Whatever you are, wherever you live on DEC 31 of any year counts for the entire year. End of story.

Unless you live in Basel! If you moved from BS to BL, within the year, BS are now contesting the loss of income from tax. Basically, having to file twice for the same year, and meaning I have to pay a fair amount back.

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Old 20.07.2011, 17:22
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Unless you live in Basel! If you moved from BS to BL, within the year, BS are now contesting the loss of income from tax. Basically, having to file twice for the same year, and meaning I have to pay a fair amount back.
Wow, never heard of that. I moved from ZH to SZ in one December (saving me some 40% taxes of the entire year) and Zurich was very quick sending me a "tax due: 0.00 CHF" bill. I planned to frame it.
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Old 20.07.2011, 17:33
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I don't know about your cases, but would like to emphasize that you definitely should check with a tax consultant, and stand your ground.

I have been having trouble with the tax authorities too at the moment.
If I had trusted them and gave in to their threats, it would have cost me 30K of overpaid taxes.

The guy who worked at the tax office and was allocated to my case had no clue about double tax agreements etc.
I was absolutely shocked to find out what incompetence works at Swiss tax authorities.
I did check, and I missed out because I never received the letters from the taxman questioning my tax return as they were sent to my old UK address where my ex-wife binned them. Because of this I didn't appeal in time and now there is nothing they can do etc etc...because of this I overpaid for 2 years and can't get anything back.
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Old 20.07.2011, 18:12
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Re: WARNING: hit with a huge tax bill.

Odd, in ZH, they did the complete opposite to my filing. Got married in July, and they made us file separately as it wasn't the entire year... Can't imagine why there would be inconsistencies like that.
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Old 20.07.2011, 18:22
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Odd, in ZH, they did the complete opposite to my filing. Got married in July, and they made us file separately as it wasn't the entire year... Can't imagine why there would be inconsistencies like that.
You might be paid "a la source". that's 1 difference.
And If I remember being paid a la source, any income above 120 000 chf per year, you are not "a la source" anymore (based on my memories not that I earn that much ).
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Old 20.07.2011, 18:33
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I did check, and I missed out because I never received the letters from the taxman questioning my tax return as they were sent to my old UK address where my ex-wife binned them. Because of this I didn't appeal in time and now there is nothing they can do etc etc...because of this I overpaid for 2 years and can't get anything back.
Similar story - I also haven't received some forms they had sent to my UK address.
I've found out about the issue when my bank called me to let me know that the Swiss tax authorities have arrested all my bank accounts.

I was also then told it would be too late to appeal, and I have to pay. Not correct. They have to prove that you have received the mail, so you can make use of your right to appeal.
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Old 20.07.2011, 18:35
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Re: WARNING: hit with a huge tax bill.

I must have been in Switzerland too long as I don't consider 7000CHF a huge tax bill any more. Compare it with what you would have paid in some other countries and it probably isn't too bad.
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Old 20.07.2011, 18:36
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I was also then told it would be too late to appeal, and I have to pay. Not correct. They have to prove that you have received the mail, so you can make use of your right to appeal.
Did you win an appeal?
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Old 20.07.2011, 18:42
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Re: WARNING: hit with a huge tax bill.

Yes.

They have withdrawn their claim of 28k.

In worst case I will have to pay 2k in the end, more likely 0.
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Old 20.07.2011, 18:43
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Re: WARNING: hit with a huge tax bill.

Whilst we're on this subject, I have read the "L'imposition de la famille" dated 01/01/2011, written by "Team documentation et information fiscale administration fédérale des contributions". The chapter 411 mentions that as of the 1st of January 2011, there was an adjustment of the tax that married couples pay. Is this not the case? Or is the Heiratstrafe sill commun practice???

This is getting complicated...

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Old 21.07.2011, 07:42
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Re: WARNING: hit with a huge tax bill.

My ex boss married at the end of Dec instead of Jan so he could get the deduction for his wife for the whole year. That's just how they calculate it. Sometimes it sux, sometimes it doesn't.

I think you should take it court though. You'll get a chance to state your case and you'll feel better having done it.

Good luck!
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Old 21.07.2011, 08:32
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note to self: get married on New Year's Day.
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Odd, in ZH, they did the complete opposite to my filing. Got married in July, and they made us file separately as it wasn't the entire year... Can't imagine why there would be inconsistencies like that.
Same here, married half way through the year, separate filing for that year, as if we were still single.

From http://www.steueramt.zh.ch/internet/...chfragen.html:

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Ehegatten werden erstmals für die der Heirat folgende Steuerperiode gemeinsam veranlagt. Für die Steuerperiode in welcher die Heirat stattgefunden hat, werden sie noch getrennt voneinander (als unverheiratete) besteuert. Somit ist auch der Grundtarif anzuwenden.
= In Kanton Zürich at least, you are only taxed together for the first full year of marriage (i.e. the year after you get married). The calendar year in which the marriage took place you are still taxed separately as unmarried.

The OP is in Lausanne though, I guess things must be different between Kantons.
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Old 21.07.2011, 11:09
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As far as I’m concerned, this is just theft - pure and simple.
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I cannot tell where you are from as you have not completed the details. However, it was common practice in the UK to get married before April 5 (the start of the tax year) to maximise the rebate for the married couples allowance.

As such high earners to be liable for a further CHF7,000, I'm very surprised you didn't look into this possibility before setting 'the date'...
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Old 21.07.2011, 11:18
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Aaaannnnd....another ranting noob disappears after the first post.
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Re: WARNING: hit with a huge tax bill.

Not disapppeared, just waiting for something useful to be said, and it has. Thank you all.

For all those who say we should have checked the tax laws before we married - enjoy those romantic evenings you must share whilst filing in your tax returns

My wife and I though got married for love, not a tax return.

From this I can take 3 things to the tribunal:-
1. I'm not paying (which we already knew).
2. My wife was not resident in Geneve as of 31st December 2009
3. Although I worked in Geneve, I've never been resident in Geneve.

So like pelicans, they can stick their bill up their @rse!

cheers again everyone.
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