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Spouse remains in the UK, will I be taxed as a Single person?

Hello,
I have been searching through the forums and canít seem to find anything on my situation, so apologies if this has been covered already. Iím fairly new to this!
Iím a married UK citizen and have been working in Germany (on my own) for the past year paying all of my taxes etc at source.
Due the fact that my husband has remained in the UK (stuck in the armed forces) I have been classed as a single person and paying the highest level of tax.
I have been able to put in a tax return (2010) and so long as i can provide them with all of my receipts for commuting they offset that against the tax and i got a refund.
After reading through the tax information in Switzerland I believe that because i earn under the threshold (<120,000CHF) I am not eligible to put in a tax return, is this true?
So finally my BIG question is does anyone know or can point me in the right direction, will i be taxed as a single person in Switzerland and not be able to claim anything back? (Until my husband can move over)
Thank you in advance for any advice
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Old 08.09.2011, 13:13
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Hello,
I have been searching through the forums and can’t seem to find anything on my situation, so apologies if this has been covered already. I’m fairly new to this!
I’m a married UK citizen and have been working in Germany (on my own) for the past year paying all of my taxes etc at source.
Due the fact that my husband has remained in the UK (stuck in the armed forces) I have been classed as a single person and paying the highest level of tax.
I have been able to put in a tax return (2010) and so long as i can provide them with all of my receipts for commuting they offset that against the tax and i got a refund.
After reading through the tax information in Switzerland I believe that because i earn under the threshold (<120,000CHF) I am not eligible to put in a tax return, is this true?
So finally my BIG question is does anyone know or can point me in the right direction, will i be taxed as a single person in Switzerland and not be able to claim anything back? (Until my husband can move over)
Thank you in advance for any advice
You will be taxed as your single in CH as only one of you is living here. Some people in some Cantons have been able to do a tax return, I think ZH does not allow. With your OH living in the UK there is a very good chance that your still liable to taxes in the UK as you have not clearly left permanently, you seem to just be working away from the UK. Bear in mind 'commuting' is not an allowable expense in the UK.
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Re: Spouse remains in the UK, will I be taxed as a Single person?

Hi fatmanfilms,
Thank you for your quick response.
I thought that may have been the case.
Although I do intend on living in Switzerland permanently and my husband will join me for good in a couple of years.
During that period you think I will also be eligible to pay tax in the UK too?
From what I gathered from the HMRC I thought if I work and pay my taxes in the same country then I would be tax exempt from the UK? Please see the link/quote.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/faqs_general.htm#2nr
Can you recommend anyone I could ask to look into this for me please?
The last thing I want to do is get done for fraud!!!
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Re: Spouse remains in the UK, will I be taxed as a Single person?

Q2. When I go to live or work abroad, will I continue to pay UK tax?
A2. If you remain treated as resident in the UK for UK tax purposes, normally you will be taxable on your income arising in the UK and overseas. If you are treated as resident and pay tax outside the UK HMRC can give appropriate credit for any tax paid abroad.
If you become treated as non-resident, you will normally only be taxable on your income arising in the UK.
Q3. In what circumstances would I become non-resident?
A3. Normally if you leave the UK to work abroad full-time, you will become not resident and not ordinarily resident in the UK if:
• your absence and employment from the UK covers a complete tax year (that is 6 April to 5 April)
• you spend less than 183 days in the UK during the tax year
• your visits to the UK do not average 91 days or more a tax year over a maximum of four years
From 6 April 2008, days when you are in the UK at the end of the day, that is midnight, are normally counted as days spent in the UK.
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Re: Spouse remains in the UK, will I be taxed as a Single person?

Sailorette,

I too live in Basel and you will be taxed as single here, there appears to be no way around this, however, I was told by the tax authorities here that if you send any monies home in way of maintenance payments to your spouse then this can be offset against your tax, so in essence you can submit a tax return if you are below the 120k salary threshhold. In terms of your other questions as long as you have completed a P85 for the HMRC in the uk and you plan to be absent for 1 tax year or more then you should be free of tax in the UK unless you breach the average 91 day rule over an average of 4 years, if you still have an income in the UK you would of course still be taxable there on that income. No doubt there will be others that have been caught out so be aware this is a very simplistic approach, my main advice to you would be to consult an accountant here in Switzerland (it can range between 200-500 CHF's per year) however it is most likely you will recieve more back than you payout if you get them to prepare your tax returns. They will have numerous different deductions that can be claimed back, including, mortgage interest, you can claim if your workplace does not have a canteen etc. If you do consult one you need to have your returns in by the 31st of March following the tax year you are claiming for so my advice would be to start looking for one now. In terms of your partners status in the Uk this will have no effect on your tax in Switzerland as the UK tax everybody individually not and therefore this does not give the HMRC as legal right to tax you in the UK.
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Re: Spouse remains in the UK, will I be taxed as a Single person?

Sorry Sailorette for hijacking your thread but you have asked a similar question for what I've been searching for.

If I were to move back to New Zealand with our children while my husband remained here to finish his contract, but he continued financially supported us (we would be able to supply proof of this) would he pay tax as a single or a married person?

Hubby has contacted his companys HR department but didn't receive a clear answer on this.
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Re: Spouse remains in the UK, will I be taxed as a Single person?

You have to 'LEAVE' the UK, having accommodation available & family in the UK would indicate you are still ordinarily resident & have not LEFT for a settled purpose.

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Q2. When I go to live or work abroad, will I continue to pay UK tax?
A2. If you remain treated as resident in the UK for UK tax purposes, normally you will be taxable on your income arising in the UK and overseas. If you are treated as resident and pay tax outside the UK HMRC can give appropriate credit for any tax paid abroad.
If you become treated as non-resident, you will normally only be taxable on your income arising in the UK.
Q3. In what circumstances would I become non-resident?
A3. Normally if you leave the UK to work abroad full-time, you will become not resident and not ordinarily resident in the UK if:
ē your absence and employment from the UK covers a complete tax year (that is 6 April to 5 April)
ē you spend less than 183 days in the UK during the tax year
ē your visits to the UK do not average 91 days or more a tax year over a maximum of four years
From 6 April 2008, days when you are in the UK at the end of the day, that is midnight, are normally counted as days spent in the UK.
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Sorry Sailorette for hijacking your thread but you have asked a similar question for what I've been searching for.

If I were to move back to New Zealand with our children while my husband remained here to finish his contract, but he continued financially supported us (we would be able to supply proof of this) would he pay tax as a single or a married person?

Hubby has contacted his companys HR department but didn't receive a clear answer on this.
Ge would be taxed as a single person, as he is on his own in CH.
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Ge would be taxed as a single person, as he is on his own in CH.
Even though he is fully supporting us financially?
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Must say it really does make sense to get proper professional advice in such cases- at least for the first couple of years. Might well pay for itself.
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Even though he is fully supporting us financially?
If you both live here as residents then you will get the married rate, otherwise not.
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Re: Spouse remains in the UK, will I be taxed as a Single person?

I am married and work in Switzerland. Hubby is still in Berlin and works there. I had no chance other than to be taxed as a married person here (both in Kanton Schaffhausen and Kanton ZŁrich). Downside to the story is that they tax my worldwide income, so including hubby, flat we have in Berlin, etc etc. But they automatically deduct 100k for hubby. Why I do not know, not a tax expert.
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If you both live here as residents then you will get the married rate, otherwise not.
My husband was working here for two years before my son and I joined him and he was taxed as a married man. He also got the reductions for having a dependant child. We did have to declare our assets in Belgium on the tax return but you have to do that anyway whether you both live here or not.

As Odile says it's probably worth contacting a tax asvisor who knows the rules for your canton to get accurate information.

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Ge would be taxed as a single person, as he is on his own in CH.
Not true in our case. (see post above)

Sorry I forgot to multiquote. Perhaps some kind mod could put the 2 posts together.

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Re: Spouse remains in the UK, will I be taxed as a Single person?

I was in Switzerland for 4 or 5 months before the Wife came and was taxed as a married person for the whole time.
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I was in Switzerland for 4 or 5 months before the Wife came and was taxed as a married person for the whole time.
Did they know your wife was not here or did they assume she was?
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Did they know your wife was not here or did they assume she was?
They knew because they were helping process her visa for arriving.
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They knew because they were helping process her visa for arriving.
So she was intending to be resident here with a resident permit at 31.12, rather different from the OP.
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So she was intending to be resident here with a resident permit at 31.12, rather different from the OP.
You said that you have to both live here as residents to get the married rate...which is clearly false information, as both myself and belguimmum have had experience otherwise.
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You said that you have to both live here as residents to get the married rate...which is clearly false information, as both myself and belguimmum have had experience otherwise.
If you wife was not living here you would not get the married rate, she is & you did, it's very simple.

There are a few threads when people are shocked when they receive further tax demands a couple of years later, if your not filling in a tax return you may get one too.
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If you wife was not living here you would not get the married rate, she is & you did, it's very simple.

There are a few threads when people are shocked when they receive further tax demands a couple of years later, if your not filling in a tax return you may get one too.
She wasn't here for 4 months when I came initially and I got the married rate.

Wait...didn't I say this 5 posts ago...deja vu
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