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Unless you are married to a national it is impossible to get a job as an American in Switzerland.
Not 100% true, I got a job here without being married to a Swiss, but that was a while ago and the company could demonstrate that I was 'special'.

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Not 100% true, I got a job here without being married to a Swiss, but that was a while ago and the company could demonstrate that I was 'special'.

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Yes, wife`s company (a US one) still brings over americans at will. Most of them transfers from the US mother ship. The unique skills test must be a bit loose. I think the Kanton just lets them do what they want.

When in the US if we wanted to employ a salesman from Australia (or others but we got a few Aussies and Germans) then we applied for visas and got them. We didn't do it a lot but it was never a problem with the authorities and they also would not meet a strict unique skills test.

Maybe the process in the US took longer but other than that no different really.

Company wants you, company gets you.
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And, if you are a US citizen, you can be hired for an academic job. By a Swiss company, even - the kanton or the federal universities.
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Yes, wife`s company (a US one) still brings over americans at will. Most of them transfers from the US mother ship. The unique skills test must be a bit loose. I think the Kanton just lets them do what they want.

When in the US if we wanted to employ a salesman from Australia (or others but we got a few Aussies and Germans) then we applied for visas and got them. We didn't do it a lot but it was never a problem with the authorities and they also would not meet a strict unique skills test.

Maybe the process in the US took longer but other than that no different really.

Company wants you, company gets you.
Just to give another perspective, OH's company has been turned down for several non-EU permits lately - the authorities once going so far as to tell them to 'dumb down' job requirements so that a CH/EU person will qualify.

(That job was moved outside Switzerland instead. Apparently it's often easier to move jobs than people. )

But I would imagine that each canton views such things differently.
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Re: Hiring stop for ALL Americans ?

I'm very interested in this topic--my daughter is currently 14 and will head the Kaufrau route and would like to work in a bank, but my concern is she has no chance if she is dual American/Swiss.
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Not 100% true, I got a job here without being married to a Swiss, but that was a while ago and the company could demonstrate that I was 'special'.

Tom
I second that, I also got a job here, single, I hold two non-EU passports (one of them being US). Started on an L Permit, then moved to a B and now I'm on a C.

It was an SMI company though. If you work for such bigshot companies, its easier (they can literally get who they want).

If you want to work for the Konditorei in the corner, another story.
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Oddly enough living here is about as expensive as where I came from, with the exception that one person can work and we can survive.
This is good old Switzerland.

Good luck anyway. Unemployment is really boring, except if you are rich enough to hit the road.
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Old 16.12.2012, 12:19
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Re: Hiring stop for ALL Americans ?

Amazing ... it wasn't so long ago that people were willing to risk life and limb for a shot at a green card. Now every 3rd American I come across is considering renouncing US citizenship. What a fall ....
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This is good old Switzerland.

Good luck anyway. Unemployment is really boring, except if you are rich enough to hit the road.
It can be, I do a lot of writing and odd jobs to keep me busy though.

For the other Americans who have found jobs herein easily, congrats, there are always exceptions to the rule.
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Amazing ... it wasn't so long ago that people were willing to risk life and limb for a shot at a green card. Now every 3rd American I come across is considering renouncing US citizenship. What a fall ....
Things have changed; the America of today isn't anymore the America of 10-20 years ago.

And it doesn't seem things will change either. Political or legislative reforms in the America are not really subject to rational scrutiny accompanied by clear national cost/benefit analyses.

Instead, congressmen and the executive only understand one language: votes and donations. It is no wonder that these fiscal cliff talks are going nowhere. The American political system and culture is rotten to the very core. It is a dysfunctional democracy which needs to be rewritten bottom up and top down; if it doesn't the US will be joining the ranks of a multi-polar world of regional power nation-states much sooner than later. I would recommend taking into consideration the Swiss model if it does get rewritten.

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True, and it may backfire not just for high-earning expats but for factory workers in the US as well: Switzerland could just be the single biggest creator of manufacturing jobs in the US. How helpful are recent legislation that makes it increasingly unattractive for Swiss managers to live and work in the US?
Does the US really want to lose jobs from companies that pay on average 60% more than domestic companies?
I really hope the US wisens up realizes that they need strong international partners and foreign direct investment and that they should start being grateful, not resentful for it.
I thought that it was on the right track when electing Barack Obama,... sadly he is only one man, and congress has deep roots like dandelions... and corporate funding
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I applied for jobs at a few financial institutions and insurance
companies and received an almost immediate "No".

A few years ago, the company ALWAYS invited me for
an interview!
I was having the same problem this Spring. I'd send my CV and get good responses from Germany and Holland, and always got interviews for roles in Asia. But within Switzerland it was an outright, "no thanks, you smelly American." [Well, I might have embellished the quote.]
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Re: Hiring stop for ALL Americans ?

From American Citizens Abroad:

"YOUR VOICE DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE! ACA has been told by Representatives in Congress that they want to hear about the problems of their constituency overseas. Let them know about your FATCA concerns by personalizing this letter with details about your experience or send as a stand alone. For more information on how to find and contact you representative go to: http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/"

http://americansabroad.org/issues/re...s-about-fatca/

MAYBE there is some tiny hope after all that some changes (in our favor) will be made if they hear from enough of us??? We've got nothing to lose by trying
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ACA has been told by Representatives in Congress that they want to hear about the problems of their constituency overseas.
Care to share with us which Representatives or Senators have contacted ACA wanting to hear about their oversea constituencies? Perhaps a link also? This would be surprising to me.
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Care to share with us which Representatives or Senators have contacted ACA wanting to hear about their oversea constituencies? Perhaps a link also? This would be surprising to me.
Sorry, but what I've shared is all I have. If I had that specific information you're asking for, I would absolutely have posted it.
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Care to share with us which Representatives or Senators have contacted ACA wanting to hear about their oversea constituencies? Perhaps a link also? This would be surprising to me.
Hi! Acutally, I sent the ACA pre-formatted letter to my Senator, Patty Murry (Washington State) and received a reply within a day (which I was completely shocked and impressed).

She said "In the Senate, this legislation would fall under the jurisdiction of the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, on which I serve. Please be assured that I will be following the progress of this bill and will keep your views in mind if this or related legislation comes before this committee for consideration." Not sure if that helps you with your question.

They know of our problems, whether or not something will be done is another question. It was the first time in my whole life I wrote my Senator and now I'm wishing I had done it more.
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Amazing ... it wasn't so long ago that people were willing to risk life and limb for a shot at a green card. Now every 3rd American I come across is considering renouncing US citizenship. What a fall ....
An average American that you run across in Switzerland (or Europe) is of a slightly different demographic than the ones willing to risk life and limb for a shot at a green card.

While neither perfect nor as alluring as it once was, the quest for American Dream continues for countless people. Thinking otherwise reflects the common EnglishForum syndrome of slipping into a lala land where Switzerland is a microcosm of the larger world.
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Hi! Acutally, I sent the ACA pre-formatted letter to my Senator, Patty Murry (Washington State) and received a reply within a day (which I was completely shocked and impressed).

She said "In the Senate, this legislation would fall under the jurisdiction of the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, on which I serve. Please be assured that I will be following the progress of this bill and will keep your views in mind if this or related legislation comes before this committee for consideration." Not sure if that helps you with your question.

They know of our problems, whether or not something will be done is another question. It was the first time in my whole life I wrote my Senator and now I'm wishing I had done it more.
The response seems generic and possibly automated, and the "bill" has a already passed the committees for consideration back in 2010 (if they ever read it which I doubt, they never read bills).

They may know about it, but they certainly don't have the political nerves to do something about it. Even if they change the law after I relinquish, I will not regret it; I'm not putting myself at risk of being subject to an unrepresentative, irresponsible and immoral foreign despot anymore.
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No unfortunately I am unemployed. I moved here to be with my wife. Given what I have seen, I may eventually have to go back to school and change careers. If we can ever afford it. Most companies just auto reject me, but a few have said (with different words) that they don't care if I have a B-permit or not, they won't touch an American with a ten foot pole. Not all of them were accounting jobs.
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