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Re: Dealing with financial services "cold callers"

The BBC was doing regular interviews earlier this year with representatives of this company (displayed on their Youtube channel). There was even an interview with the CEO. Then there was a break of several months. Now this.
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Re: Dealing with financial services "cold callers"

I put a flag at the bottom of my linkedin profile saying "Do not contact me regarding personal financial services," and since then, though I've had my profile trolled by several obvious financial services data miners, no calls- when previously I'd be called ~3 days after they viewed my profile.

Interesting, no?

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Old 25.11.2013, 19:26
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The BBC was doing regular interviews earlier this year with representatives of this company (displayed on their Youtube channel). There was even an interview with the CEO. Then there was a break of several months. Now this.
Wow what an amazing cover hehehe
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The BBC was doing regular interviews earlier this year with representatives of this company (displayed on their Youtube channel). There was even an interview with the CEO. Then there was a break of several months. Now this.

So how do you recognise the difference?


I mean from "where fraudsters are pretending to be legitimate deVere consultants, scamming unsuspecting people out of their hard earned money."



The grammar in this summary is not so good (I mean in the link "this" from Reb77Br)? You could wrongly interpret this as "fraudsters are pretending to be legitimate deVere consultants (who are) scamming unsuspecting people out of their hard earned money."
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Re: Dealing with financial services "cold callers"

well after a couple of years without any calls, I have had them all now - including the Beers.

still with 18 minutes on the phone to me, it saved someone else being called.

I think I'd spoil any fake meeting with their "advisor" by giggling too much.
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Re: Dealing with financial services "cold callers"

When I get cold calls like this I always indicate that I have 20M USD in liquid assets (which isn't true) and that I expect to a more personal, discrete approach to asset management.

More often than not, this ends the conversation and afterwards I get invites for swanky cocktail parties, exclusive museum nights, etc. from such firms AND a lot less calls.
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Wow what an amazing cover hehehe
That catchphrase from Extras... what was it again?

The elderly scammee was apparently approached in March this year for a JP Morgan investment. Coincidentally:
March 2013 announcement (site registrant shares address with the registered company)

He sent £10,000 to Florida and Hong Kong, where coincidentally:
News 1, News 2

These clones are good!

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"The fraudsters are going to extraordinary lengths to make their scam look genuine. They are adopting a company name and address which could easily be mistaken for our legitimate ones, they are designing websites, stationery, and business cards to appear like our legitimate ones, and some are even going as far as impersonating our legitimate advisers."...

Consumers who suspect they might have been contacted by a clone should contact the FCA for help, White advised.
Aw, it's ... it's... words fail...
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Re: Dealing with financial services "cold callers"

It's official:
FCA issues warning over ‘boiler room’ clone
FCA warning

Given the similarities of names and the identical address, the public will clearly have to be very careful indeed to distinguish between the "clone" and the "FCA authorised firm". Wonder how the FCA will respond to anyone who invests with the wrong one.

Ah, OK...
FCA: what to do if you are scammed
"You should report the scam to us ... please be aware that the chances of getting any money back are often slim"
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Re: Dealing with financial services "cold callers"

Hahaha

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‘clone’ of deBeer’s UK arm which it could be a so-called ‘boiler room’ scam based around aggressive cold-calling sales tactics
If the clone is a boiler room’ scam based around aggressive cold-calling sales tactics, then so must be "the original" too. After all is is a CLONE.


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It's official:
FCA issues warning over ‘boiler room’ clone
FCA warning

Given the similarities of names and the identical address, the public will clearly have to be very careful indeed to distinguish between the "clone" and the "FCA authorised firm". Wonder how the FCA will respond to anyone who invests with the wrong one.

Ah, OK...
FCA: what to do if you are scammed
"You should report the scam to us ... please be aware that the chances of getting any money back are often slim"
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Re: Dealing with financial services "cold callers"

I've been largely left in peace over the last couple of years. I can see that my LinkedIn profile is occasionally trawled by financial scammers, but they only see the name of my organization, not any direct phone number. Our switchboard operators have become remarkably smart at picking up these guys (not many gals doing the scams) and simply don't put them through.
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Old 04.12.2013, 18:00
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Re: Dealing with financial services "cold callers"

Not sure if I am allowed to reference other forums but there are some recent interesting posts in Toytown about recent high court decisions effecting companies; Generali Vision is quoted.
For example, "Your last and maybe best point is to declare the whole contract for nil&void for one or several of the following reasons:
- Generali Guernsey, the company behind the GEnerali Vision plan, is not registered to operate their business in Germany at the BaFin (Federal finance authority in Germany). This you can check and prove easily by going to the public data bank of BaFin:
"


The other decisions are
  • it is illegal to continue charging administrative fees if a plan has already been cancelled
  • Acording to Generali Vision, 100% of your first premiums during the initial period are lost, i.e. the surrender value for you upon early cancellation is nil. This, too, is illegal under German laws:


Of course this all refers to Germany & German laws
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Re: Dealing with financial services "cold callers"

I just got a call from someone asking to speak to an ex employee... it sounded like a selling call so I googled the number and it turns out the beer people have also been calling locals who have reported the number on tellows.ch as aggressive advertising.

Some of the comments (in German) sound just like our comments about them here
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"It was an evening which saw our founder and chief executive... arrive flying down a zip wire... amongst many other highlights… and that’s not even mentioning the acrobatics and the D...V... Lounge & Club!"
source



"Ready to co host the 'D...V... Awards' at the Grosvenor House Hotel London"
source

"Fantastic performance last night for the D...V... awards..."
source

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Re: Dealing with financial services "cold callers"

there were (or still are) pictures online from the CTMNBN 2012 award ceremony which can be quite important for legal reasons. If anyone should find such pictures online for the 2014 awards at the Grosvenor House in London, do please let me know, am VERY interested in such links and might even pay a reward!

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Apparently Denise Van Outen was hosting... https://twitter.com/Grosvenor_House/...83429017874432
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Re: Dealing with financial services "cold callers"

So having been off the radar for many years but suddenly arriving back on the radar for THEM ALL, I have some more thoughts....

1. When they ask, "have you heard of us?" say "yes, only bad things." Repeat this lots.
2. If they get past this block, tell them you are not from the UK or were not born there. Re-iterate that they're making an unsolicited call to you
3. Keep stating that, "you're really not interested." It might take 20 minutes
4. Be evasive about your location. Just because they think they're calling you in a given location does not mean you are in that location
5. Ask them lots of questions - "how did you get my number?" "what regulator do you report to?" "can I have a copy of your last submission to the regulator?" "how do I file an official complaint about this call?"

My switchboard are very apologetic when forwarding these calls to me. I just laugh and let them hand the victim over...!!
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So having been off the radar for many years but suddenly arriving back on the radar for THEM ALL, I have some more thoughts....

1. When they ask, "have you heard of us?" say "yes, only bad things." Repeat this lots.
2. If they get past this block, tell them you are not from the UK or were not born there. Re-iterate that they're making an unsolicited call to you
3. Keep stating that, "you're really not interested." It might take 20 minutes
4. Be evasive about your location. Just because they think they're calling you in a given location does not mean you are in that location
5. Ask them lots of questions - "how did you get my number?" "what regulator do you report to?" "can I have a copy of your last submission to the regulator?" "how do I file an official complaint about this call?"

My switchboard are very apologetic when forwarding these calls to me. I just laugh and let them hand the victim over...!!
I hope I'm still off the list.

The last call I had from "a company" had a conversation go something like this:

"Hello, we are from a "dodgey financial company", have you heard of us?"

"Well yes, especially the last 3 times you've called me, do you not keep a data base of sorts?"

"No, why?"

"So you can keep track of how many times I have to tell you to p1ss off. It would really save both of us a lot of hastle don't you think?"

"So you're not interested then?"

"No, not at all. Thank you and goodbye"


I also have these calls forwarded through to me from reception.
Next time (hopefully there is no next time) I think I'll wander down to reception and have a chat to them about what they actually say to them.
It would be good if they could act as some sort of 'spam filter', but hey, it's also fun to give them a hard time (not the receptionists - they are Angels).
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Old 17.01.2014, 13:29
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Wow, you're patient. I generally start with that, as soon as they've said "Hi, I calling from..."

When they ask why, I say it's because of their bad repulation. I've not had anyone persist beyond that.

I've never had to go to my next line of defence, "I've got no money", which I think will be the killer blow
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Hmmm. A new cold calling financial advisor to add to the list.

"Mount Rock".
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A new one.

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