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Impot a la source not removed from tax return?

hello,
am a bit concerned that my laboriously completed online tax return for Vaud is not correct. When I got to the end, Calcul des impots, it showed me the tax to be paid, BUT I am taxed at source and have already paid just slightly over the figure shown. I'm happy the amounts are almost the same, but it looks like I still owe them the all impot I already paid at source. I entered the amount I paid at source in the Activities salariees section. Why isn't it taken off in the final calculation? The only space to enter a deduction seems to be the BVR+ entry, which I assume is a statement of tax payments already made that the tax office would send you, so doesn't apply.
It's the first tax return I've done, so maybe this is normal and they calculate the balance owed (a little bit to me) when they receive the tax return, but seems odd.
Many thanks in advance to anyone who can shed some light on this!
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Re: Impot a la source not removed from tax return?

Riddle me this about taxes in Vaud
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hello,
am a bit concerned that my laboriously completed online tax return for Vaud is not correct. When I got to the end, Calcul des impots, it showed me the tax to be paid, BUT I am taxed at source and have already paid just slightly over the figure shown. I'm happy the amounts are almost the same, but it looks like I still owe them the all impot I already paid at source. I entered the amount I paid at source in the Activities salariees section. Why isn't it taken off in the final calculation? The only space to enter a deduction seems to be the BVR+ entry, which I assume is a statement of tax payments already made that the tax office would send you, so doesn't apply.
It's the first tax return I've done, so maybe this is normal and they calculate the balance owed (a little bit to me) when they receive the tax return, but seems odd.
Many thanks in advance to anyone who can shed some light on this!
Why are you filling in a tax return when you're taxed at source? Unless there's likely to be a big difference between the two you don't need to fill in a tax form.
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Why are you filling in a tax return when you're taxed at source? Unless there's likely to be a big difference between the two you don't need to fill in a tax form.
Because you can and you might get a refund if you have a lot of things to deduct? Maybe they have some side income to property abroad?

Why are you so nosey about other people's afffairs?
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Re: Impot a la source not removed from tax return?

Because I'm trying to understand why the OP is bothering to file a tax return. From what they say they aren't going to save anything

"BUT I am taxed at source and have already paid just slightly over the figure shown. I'm happy the amounts are almost the same"

So why are they bothering?
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Old 13.06.2015, 17:05
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Why are you filling in a tax return when you're taxed at source? Unless there's likely to be a big difference between the two you don't need to fill in a tax form.
Maybe she earns more than 120 000 chf and is on a B permit in which case she would be taxed at source but still have to complete a tax return.

Being taxed at source does not automatically eliminate the need to fill out a tax return.

As far as I can remember from doing ours when OH was still taxed at source the calculations on the tax website only give the total tax dye for the year and don't take into account the tax already paid. It's up to you to work out whether you owe them or are due a refund from them based on what you know you've paid. Either that or wait for them to write to you to tell you.
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Re: Impot a la source not removed from tax return?

To answer the earlier question, I was sent a tax return so consider it probably to be a good idea to complete it. Am certainly not doing it for fun :-)
Seems from bill_door's post that you need to write to them but he did it back in the 2007 tax year - maybe things have changed since then? Seems a bit odd that these cantonal and federal tax people don't communicate, Switzerland is normally so organised, I am shocked! Anyway, the amount I've paid at source is in the tax return, so I guess I'll see what they do...
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Re: Impot a la source not removed from tax return?

I had a similar issue last year even though i had a company to completed the form for me on paper.
The Valais administration sent me a huge bill for the value of the impot I had already paid via being taxed at source...
I immediately asked the company i used to check it and they confirmed school boy error on behalf of the administration. The net result was they actually owed ME money...

Dont believe everything you read and hear.... The swiss are NOT efficient or organised well
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Re: Impot a la source not removed from tax return?

Thanks, I guess that answers my question too, since your return was done professionally - there seems to be nowhere to note this in the tax return. At least if I get a big tax bill now I will not be too concerned - that must have been worrying for you.
Not sure why st2lemons, who has contributed nothing to this discussion except lurking is groaning at our posts - if this is of no interest to you, you are at liberty to lurk elsewhere!

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Re: Impot a la source not removed from tax return?

Hi - just wondering if the OP ever go to the bottom of this? I am have the exact same issue at the moment. It looks like I owe the authorities a lot of tax, but the VaudTax is not reflecting the amount I have already paid through withholding.

It'll probably be fine, all come out the wash etc... I was curious about how things panned out for the OP (or if there was any feedback from the authorities at all yet).

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Re: Impot a la source not removed from tax return?

I did get a resolution for 2014. I have a similar problem in 2015 as I changed cantons and consequently have 2 big tax bills from both cantonsides despite not working at all in one and the other ignoring my tax at source...

For those that groan, if you received the sum of tax bills I have over a period of 2 weeks I am sure you would have something to contribute...
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Hi - just wondering if the OP ever go to the bottom of this? I am have the exact same issue at the moment. It looks like I owe the authorities a lot of tax, but the VaudTax is not reflecting the amount I have already paid through withholding.
What the program shows in the end is just a guesstimate and has no legal value. AFAIK, this fact is stated somewhere on the screen.
You will get a bill from the tax people. If the tax payer id used for the tax return is the same ad used for paying tax at source all should automatically accounted for. If the bill is not correct, simply contact the tax people and find our what the issue may be.
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I did get a resolution for 2014. I have a similar problem in 2015 as I changed cantons and consequently have 2 big tax bills from both cantonsides despite not working at all in one and the other ignoring my tax at source...
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Re: Impot a la source not removed from tax return?

Just to update anyone who might be having my issue this year - I didn't get a tax bill last year when I paid all my tax at source (or the couple of hundred they owed me come to think of it!).

Just did my 2015 taxes and I paid tax at source until April 2015, then got my C Permit, so the tax calculation shown at the end was still more than it should have been. I calculated what I had paid in installments and what I had paid at source and sent them a payment for the reduced figure via the orange slip.

Just to check, I emailed the tax office and told them I had removed the tax already paid at source from the payment and I got an email today saying that was fine! So, seems the tax at source is definitely not factored into their calculation but you can take it off yourself. Maybe just let them know what you've done though...
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Re: Impot a la source not removed from tax return?

I got a letter with the tax forms that mentioned how much I had already paid. The VaudTax does not list this.

As was said, this is your declaration. But that doesn't mean it is definitive. They will review it then (normally) send you the assessment with the bill for the amount outstanding.
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Re: Impot a la source not removed from tax return?

When you get to the end of the Vaud Tax, you end up on a page where you enter what you've prepaid during the previous year. I would imagine that if you're paying at source you just enter the amount that's been deducted at source.
The amount is only used to allow you to estimate your final tax bill for the year. If you owe them money according to this calculation, you're supposed to pay them the amount, though I imagine in these days of negative interest the penalty for waiting for the final account won't be significant.
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When you get to the end of the Vaud Tax, you end up on a page where you enter what you've prepaid during the previous year. I would imagine that if you're paying at source you just enter the amount that's been deducted at source.
The amount is only used to allow you to estimate your final tax bill for the year. If you owe them money according to this calculation, you're supposed to pay them the amount, though I imagine in these days of negative interest the penalty for waiting for the final account won't be significant.
I always wait for the final accounting from them and I've never been fined. Do others get fined for this? You have the right to contest there decision so I can see how they can fine you.
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