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Old 10.05.2016, 10:04
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Cross canton withholding tax payment, between Cantons?

Okay I searched but I cannot find an example of this. It's an epic tome, but there you go.

In January 2011 I moved to Switzerland and I lived in Tremli in ZH. Later that year in May 2011 I moved to ZG.

I have always been applicable for withholding tax. I happily paid this tax as part of my wages during the next few years until ZG decided that I earned too much money in 2011 and asked me to fill in 3 years worth of tax forms in one go.

So I completed these and returned them to ZG and then something strange happened.

The tax was assessed for each year and I neither owed or was owed money it was exactly zero (this cannot be correct, since when do you have a zero value?!)

So I called ZG tax office and they tell me they cannot process the tax returns until ZH pay up 5 months worth of withholding tax to ZG for 2011 Jan > May.

2 years worth of tax return submissions later I am still waiting for ZH to cough up the cash to ZG.

I have called and e-mail ZH, pleaded with them to pay up so I know what is going on, then 2-3 months ago I thought I had a breakthrough.

A women in the ZH tax office said "they are changing payment systems and the payment would be made in April to ZG"

Guess what? Yup no payment. So now I have 5 years worth of tax returns stacked up In ZG and no sign of this payment from ZH.

Is there a manager / ombudsman / higher authority / legal option where I can issue a formal complaint?

The woman who said the payment would be made was based out of this building:-

Bändliweg 21
8090 Zürich

Any advice? This is F crazy now.
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Old 10.05.2016, 10:20
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Re: Cross canton withholding tax payment, between Cantons?

Look at this:
Taxes from Kanton Zürich

and this:
MOving within same Kanton in a given year. Impact?

And specially this (Thanks to Danny for finding this):
http://www.steuerkonferenz.ch/downlo...en/ks014_d.pdf
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Re: Cross canton withholding tax payment, between Cantons?

I feel for you - in my case it was Geneva. In the end Zug decided not to tax me for the months in Geneva and for tax paid at source...

Zug authorities said it was not right and told me to feel free to go to court but after consulting various sources it seemed more trouble the benefit...and cost. PM me if you want more details of the process.
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Re: Cross canton withholding tax payment, between Cantons?

Thank you this is very helpful.

I understand who should pay and how (believe me I know this inside out)

Also ZH admitted this is true and they will make a payment (last month but failed to do this!)

In 2011 I am resident in ZG on 31.12.11 therefore ZH must cough up that money to allow ZG to process my tax return for 2011.

My question is WHO/HOW can I apply pressure on ZH tax authorities to pay up to ZG.
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I feel for you - in my case it was Geneva. In the end Zug decided not to tax me for the months in Geneva and for tax paid at source...

Zug authorities said it was not right and told me to feel free to go to court but after consulting various sources it seemed more trouble the benefit...and cost. PM me if you want more details of the process.
Trouble is for me this is now holding up 5 years worth of tax returns!

ZG openly admitted no 2011 payment from ZH the rest wouldn't be processed.

Saying all this ZG tax guys have been great and very helpful.
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Old 10.05.2016, 10:37
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Re: Cross canton withholding tax payment, between Cantons?

It took a friend of ours about 6 years to get it sorted out between Zurich and Neuchâtel. It took Zurich forever to pay what they owed and it wasn't an insignificant amount of money.
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Re: Cross canton withholding tax payment, between Cantons?

Problem. I think it is officialy just a dispute between ZH and ZG. You are kind off out of this, but still suffer from it consequences.

Try the inofficial way through the Ombudsman for ZH.
http://www.ombudsmann.zh.ch/

Or write a letter to
Marina Züger, Head of Tax ZH
https://www.steueramt.zh.ch/internet...mtschefin.html

With CC to:
RR Ernst Stocker (Head of Finance Departement)
http://www.rr.zh.ch/internet/regieru...rrstocker.html
RR Mario Fehr (Vice of Finance Departement and President RR)
http://www.rr.zh.ch/internet/regieru...html#a-content
and Staatsschreiber Beat Husi (In charge of intercantonal matters)
http://www.rr.zh.ch/internet/regieru...html#a-content

plus CC a newspaper, like Tages Anzeiger or Beobachter
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Problem. I think it is officialy just a dispute between ZH and ZG. You are kind off out of this, but still suffer from it consequences.

Try the inofficial way through the Ombudsman for ZH.
http://www.ombudsmann.zh.ch/

Or write a letter to
Marina Züger, Head of Tax ZH
https://www.steueramt.zh.ch/internet...mtschefin.html

With CC to:
RR Ernst Stocker (Head of Finance Departement)
http://www.rr.zh.ch/internet/regieru...rrstocker.html
RR Mario Fehr (Vice of Finance Departement and President RR)
http://www.rr.zh.ch/internet/regieru...html#a-content
and Staatsschreiber Beat Husi (In charge of intercantonal matters)
http://www.rr.zh.ch/internet/regieru...html#a-content

plus CC a newspaper, like Tages Anzeiger or Beobachter
Nice sounds like a plan! I've just complained in yet another e-mail to ZH. I think a letter would be better.
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Re: Cross canton withholding tax payment, between Cantons?

Latest offer ZH will cough up by the end of this month. I'll believe it when I see it. <Watch this space>
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Old 25.05.2016, 15:22
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Re: Cross canton withholding tax payment, between Cantons?

I'm having a similar problem with ZH Steueramt (and so is my girlfriend) following our move from ZH to SZ in 2014. They are still holding the tax at source payments for the part of 2014 when we lived in Zurich. Initially the Gemeinde asked us for full payment of a full year of tax for 2014, as we had seemingly paid nothing. It's taken several phone calls, but the Gemeinde have agreed that we have nothing to pay to them as the tax at source more than covers the bill. They will also not charge any interest. I got the impression from the cantonal Steueramt that this is quite a common problem with Zurich.
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Re: Cross canton withholding tax payment, between Cantons?

Finally Zurich "seem" to have coughed up, now to chase Zug to finalise this mess. Oh it seems my contact at Zug is now on holiday!
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Nice sounds like a plan! I've just complained in yet another e-mail to ZH. I think a letter would be better.
Registered letter. Authorities are obliged to answer registered letters.

edit: Probem seems solved

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Registered letter. Authorities are obliged to answer registered letters.
Not to my knowledge. Please point me to the regulation which would mandate so.

@Cata1yst: How did you proceed and get things started?
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@Cata1yst: How did you proceed and get things started?
It's called being persistent, not taking no for an answer and harassing Zurich on a least a monthly basis

(Where is it? Why are you not responding to Zug? This is very disappointing as I experience the Swiss as very efficient. I also asked specifics is the payment scheduled in the system? What is the hold up with creating a payment etc etc)

Via a combination of telephone calls and e-mails.

Although I will believe it when I have Zug confirm they have the correct amount of cash.

Also I played Zug and Zurich against each other. So both where aware when I slapped one or the other. 99% Zurich bad guys 1% Zug

Get x2 contacts both sides you speak directly to via telephone and e-mail and write to both frequently.

Also I was told that Zug are only allowed officially to ask twice a year for the cash

I pretty much ignored this and went direct to Zurich, I guess after waiting 5 years the rules don't apply to me in this case.
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Not to my knowledge. Please point me to the regulation which would mandate so.
Hmmmm, been searching the net for it (found it for Germany) did not get the necessary support but also not the opposite which is weird. google seems to hide the subject from me completely. Will keep at it and get back to you ..... even if I'm proven wrong ofcourse And if if takes me forever, stubborn is my middle name

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Re: Cross canton withholding tax payment, between Cantons?

Since it's been solved this is no longer relevant to OP, but others may soon-ish be in a similar position:
When the government is unduly slow, which certainly is the case with OP, you can raise a Verwaltungsbeschwerde. As a consequence the case will be inspected by a third party (not necessarily by a court I think, depends on how far up on the ladder the complaint has gone yet) and issue a binding verdict (which can be challenged), hopefully ordering the problematic goverment branch to speed things up.

Procedures are likely to to differ from Kanton to Kanton (and of course contacts) so personally I'd simply contact the Verwaltungsgericht (Zürich in this case, every Kanton has one) and ask for directions, legal information and to-be-expected costs.

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Hmmmm, been searching the net for it (found it for Germany) did not get the necessary support but also not the opposite which is weird. google seems to hide the subject from me completely. Will keep at it and get back to you ..... even if I'm proven wrong ofcourse And if if takes me forever, stubborn is my middle name
I would think they have to in every case, registered letter or not. The difference is that with a registered letter you can prove that you're owed an answer, same as if you had handed the letter over in person and got receipt confirmed on a copy.
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