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On the off chance than anyone here doesn't already think that I am odder than the average EFer I offer this:

For technical documentation I prefer a screen device.
For entertainment, be that fiction or non fiction, I prefer paper - I have the feeling that the author is somehow "there" with a book, and I miss that with a screen device.
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For technical documentation I prefer a screen device.
You mean a microfiche reader?
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You risk paying a multiple of the price you expected:
Unless already paid for by other means the driver will usually collect the additional costs, which comes with 20-30CHF cost of its own. So in your example you probably end up paying 30-40CHF for your order.

That's why Amazon's service of including the VAT in the bill and make sure no collecting fees are payable is very useful. Lack of such a service with other sellers will probably mean the transacion won't happen at all.
  • What is the "probability"? What are the impacting factors?
  • What are "other means"?
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It's the atmosphere


Few things cozier than a book, a nice drink/food to crunch on and a comfy place to lounge.
Add to that a nice-smelling book (I sound insane, I know ), and life's much better.
Rant ahead:
  • An e-reader strains my eyes (no matter the size/brightness etc. settings),
  • an e-reader dies before I'm done reading,
  • an e-reader isn't as forgiving when accidentally dropped on the floor,
  • an e-reader cannot be bookmarked with a Cadbury bar,
  • an e-reader doesn't make me feel like the owner of a tangible, large source of interesting subjects aka bookshelf
Not trying to convince anyone to change; just pointing out that one can hold an e-reader in one's hand or set it on the table while eating without it closing by itself (like a new paperback or hardcover book would). One can also lie in bed on their side and continue to easily read by holding the e-reader sideways, which would be unwieldy with a book (okay, that is probably just a weird thing that I enjoy doing ).

Also, the e-reader trumps real books when packing for a long trip -- one can have several titles available without having to add so much packing weight.

The ease of purchasing new titles is nice but sometimes dangerous from a $$ standpoint.

Those were the reasons which convinced me to switch, after a long period of holding out!

On the downside, I HATE HATE HATE that "sharing" a title is so complex, if at all possible. To me, that is the worst aspect of utilizing an e-reader.
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You mean a microfiche reader?
Loved them. Most of the stuff I deal with is in .pdf form now, much of it scanned from the original, so you can't even search on the text.
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  • What are "other means"?
Ask Amazon how they do it.
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Isn't there any way to pay the VAT a priori, i.e. before receiving the package, or before it enters Switzerland?
May be offered by the shipping company. eBay Gloabal Shipping Program.

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Or some sort of self-declaration at the end of year?
No. This is not the U.S.

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Or a bill you receive annually containing all your payable VAT?
Direct billing with Swiss Post is possible. If you are a company or Verein.
https://www.post.ch/de/geschaeftlich...einfuhrabgaben
Other shipping provider may offer similar options.

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Or to deposit some money at the beginning of the year for all your future shopping, and claiming the remaining amount at the end of the year?
Kind of possible. You can have an account with customs where they charge VAT directly: http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_fir...x.html?lang=en
In connection with the direct billing you save some fees.
Draw back, you have to pay at least CHF 1000 (or the projecteded import tax and duty over 60 days, which ever is greater) in a locked account as a security.
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May be offered by the shipping company. eBay Gloabal Shipping Program.


No. This is not the U.S.


Direct billing with Swiss Post is possible. If you are a company or Verein.
https://www.post.ch/de/geschaeftlich...einfuhrabgaben
Other shipping provider may offer similar options.


Kind of possible. You can have an account with customs where they charge VAT directly: http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_fir...x.html?lang=en
In connection with the direct billing you save some fees.
Draw back, you have to pay at least CHF 1000 (or the projecteded import tax and duty over 60 days, which ever is greater) in a locked account as a security.
The most useful answer, thank you very much.

Do any of these options (especially last one) apply to an individual person (no company, yet)?
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Not trying to convince anyone to change; just pointing out that one can hold an e-reader in one's hand or set it on the table while eating without it closing by itself (like a new paperback or hardcover book would).
Not if you place a bar of chocolate on the edge of the book which is threatening to close while lying open on the table.

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One can also lie in bed on their side and continue to easily read by holding the e-reader sideways, which would be unwieldy with a book (okay, that is probably just a weird thing that I enjoy doing ).
A pillow holds the book up sideways, and a chocolate bar holds the book open.
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Also, the e-reader trumps real books when packing for a long trip -- one can have several titles available without having to add so much packing weight.
For these situations the e-reader is considered emergency go-to if the book isn't already in my collection of lightweight paperbacks.
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An e-reader designed for reading, aka Kindle is excellent. it has good battery life, i can take how ever many books, and bring them back, when i travel.

An iPad for instance is not a good e-reader as it's not really designed for this, too heavy and too bright.

Of all the books we read, (excepting reference books) i suspect that no more than 10% ever get looked at again, why store on a shelf, makes dusting difficult, far easier with no books on the shelf !

E-reader all the way
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Not if you place a bar of chocolate on the edge of the book which is threatening to close while lying open on the table.


A pillow holds the book up sideways, and a chocolate bar holds the book open.
Since I'm in Texas, most of the time any chocolate I am trying to consume is a melting, goopy mess.
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Since I'm in Texas, most of the time any chocolate I am trying to consume is a melting, goopy mess.
Another plus for books.

If you get your sticky chocolate fingers on a bbook you leave thumbprints and it smells of yummy chocolate years after.

If you get your sticky chocolate fingers on a tablet your partner shouts at you.
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Any info on who/how is going to check whether a foreign company has +100K revenue?
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You clearly don't read enough
I imported my entire library when we moved here 5 years ago - the books remaining to be read should last me until my demise
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Amazon.de does the taxation with no extra processing fee.

Now, you pay tax only above ~62.5CHF order value. Later, tax will be billed also for smaller orders.

No big deal really, as in worst case tax on 62.5 CHF is 5 CHF and shipping is free.
I'm pretty sure you all got it wrong (since it's not specified in the source link posted earlier).

The issue is not about the actual 8% vat, it's about the "frais de dedouanements" (custom admin charges) which will be minimum of 20chf regardless of the order value:

-Current system: order less than 65chf (including shipping)= free of taxes and no admin fees. Order more+ 8% vat + admin fees (minimum 20chf).

-Future system: admin fees + vat for all, even for a 1 chf item from abroad.

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https://translate.google.com/transla...%2F&edit-text=

As for now, all shipping companies (Die Post, ups, dhl, fedex thieves...) have all more or less fees starting from 20chf for that.

Probably the fee will even applies for orders made before 1st Jan 2017 and received in CH after that date!
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I'm pretty sure you all got it wrong (since it's not specified in the source link posted earlier).

The issue is not about the actual 8% vat, it's about the "frais de dedouanements" (custom admin charges) which will be minimum of 20chf regardless of the order value:

-Current system: order less than 65chf (including shipping)= free of taxes and no admin fees. Order more+ 8% vat + admin fees (minimum 20chf).

-Future system: admin fees + vat for all, even for a 1 chf item from abroad.

Source:
https://translate.google.com/transla...%2F&edit-text=

As for now, all shipping companies (Die Post, ups, dhl, fedex thieves...) have all more or less fees starting from 20chf for that.

Probably the fee will even applies for orders made before 1st Jan 2017 and received in CH after that date!
Very well said. 8% VAT will barely change anything. The question exactly is what they're going to do with the clearance fee. Are they going to charge that for everything now? I really hope not

And who's responsible for determining whether some random company in some random country has a +100K turnover or not?
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Very well said. 8% VAT will barely change anything. The question exactly is what they're going to do with the clearance fee. Are they going to charge that for everything now? I really hope not

And who's responsible for determining whether some random company in some random country has a +100K turnover or not?
Yes, according to FRC (I even posted that back in August but everyone were more concerned by their Pina Colada than the future taxes:
https://www.englishforum.ch/2643916-post124.html).

If you look this pdf (found random on google)>
Switzerland
1 January 2017: certain overseas businesses selling
goods ordered online to Swiss customers become liable
for Swiss VAT

Source:
www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/EY-vat-gst-rate.../EY-vat-gst-rate-changes.pdf

It's not very clear, I think I read somewhere "decent" (ie not 20minutes.ch ) that there will be some kind of agreement with the companies selling more than 100K/year, which will be forced to pay Swiss vat (and therefore in theory no admin fee + vat included on purchase).

Shamefully, I can't find the accurate information now
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Another plus for books.

If you get your sticky chocolate fingers on a bbook you leave thumbprints and it smells of yummy chocolate years after.

If you get your sticky chocolate fingers on a tablet your partner shouts at you.
And when you leave sticky chocolate fingers on your poet...?
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Yes, according to FRC (I even posted that back in August but everyone were more concerned by their Pina Colada than the future taxes:
https://www.englishforum.ch/2643916-post124.html).

If you look this pdf (found random on google)>
Switzerland
1 January 2017: certain overseas businesses selling
goods ordered online to Swiss customers become liable
for Swiss VAT

Source:
www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/EY-vat-gst-rate.../EY-vat-gst-rate-changes.pdf

It's not very clear, I think I read somewhere "decent" (ie not 20minutes.ch ) that there will be some kind of agreement with the companies selling more than 100K/year, which will be forced to pay Swiss vat (and therefore in theory no admin fee + vat included on purchase).

Shamefully, I can't find the accurate information now
So what happens if the Post employees see a company name for the first time on my parcel? I'm ripped off?
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So what happens if the Post employees see a company name for the first time on my parcel? I'm ripped off?
Here's current Die Post prices description:
https://www.post.ch/en/private/a-z-o...earance-prices

Since the 65chf exemption will be lifted, we can expect this type of prices for everything.

In details, for the post, it's:
-11.50chf or 16chf (depending on country of origin)
-3% of supplement for the good value (aka Mafia protection tax )
-Actual VAT based on the good's value

All capped at 70chf max.

The others usually have 20-30chf admin fee + vat.

I can't seems to find the updated info for 2017 on the Swiss official website>
http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en

In response to your question, probably yes, you'll be taxed for everything.
But don't despair! For any tax importation error it's possible to correct it toward Swiss Custom (for a fee of approx 30chf per mistake) or toward Die Post.

In fact, if "lucky", you could also get the "Inspection, value clarification and storage" (+13chf), and the Customs inspection (+13chf).

Morality: you are going to pay one way or many others
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