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Old 30.08.2018, 21:46
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Probably not even past the end of the month!

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Re: End of the VAT-free exemption

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Previously/Now:
Not import VAT if the VAT owned is less than CHF 5. This is per shipment.
On top of that the shipping company charges a handling fee if import VAT is due.

In the future/From January 1st:
If the exporting company has a turnover of CHF 100'000 from import VAT free sales to Swiss based customers it must pay VAT directly to the Swiss federal tax office for any sale to a Swiss resident.
No more handling fee by the shipping company (Hopefully, not clear yet if this will be the case. But if there is not nothing to be done there should be nothing charged. Right?)

If the company has a turnover of less then CHF 100'000 or does not pay tax directly (I see no way how hey could force a foreign company to comply. Also the explanatory in the press release bellow says it is the company's obligation to find out if they have to charge Swiss VAT or not) There is most likely the same CHF 5 limit plus outrageous handling fees by the shipping company as it was
Amazon will be doing it, but as you said the entire concept just isn't implementable for medium-sized companies. How can customs know the turnover of every single company who sends a parcel to Switzerland?
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I buy a lot from abroad since you cannot buy any geeky stuff (electronics) in Switzerland, mostly from Asia. The Asians always put gift or some ridiculous price like $2 with annotation "marketing sample"
Could you please share what (online) store(s) you are using?
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Old 31.08.2018, 09:39
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Could you please share what (online) store(s) you are using?
Mostly aliexpress, but I also used few 'random' Chinese stores when looking for specific parts. It may sound risky but my experience is that Chinese really care for reputation. I've never been duped. To be clear, I've never bought things like smartphones, tablets or computers. I buy electronics parts, modules, replacement components, i.e. random things which costs < $100 in China but much more on Amazon US. I also bought some tools above $300 on aliexpress.
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Old 31.08.2018, 10:22
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Probably not even past the end of the month!

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Old 31.08.2018, 10:58
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Mostly aliexpress, but I also used few 'random' Chinese stores when looking for specific parts. It may sound risky but my experience is that Chinese really care for reputation. I've never been duped. To be clear, I've never bought things like smartphones, tablets or computers. I buy electronics parts, modules, replacement components, i.e. random things which costs < $100 in China but much more on Amazon US. I also bought some tools above $300 on aliexpress.
The quality of stuff from Ali-express is really improving - some stuff there like the Xiaomi products is now stocked in Galaxus and Digitec here.

Some of the boards (Arduino type things) do stop working and do need a bit of a solder re-flow to get working again.
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The quality of stuff from Ali-express is really improving - some stuff there like the Xiaomi products is now stocked in Galaxus and Digitec here.

Some of the boards (Arduino type things) do stop working and do need a bit of a solder re-flow to get working again.
People say Xiaomi is the Apple from China.
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Old 31.08.2018, 12:52
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People say Xiaomi is the Apple from China.
I thought Apple was the Apple from China.
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Old 31.08.2018, 15:47
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The quality of stuff from Ali-express is really improving - some stuff there like the Xiaomi products is now stocked in Galaxus and Digitec here.

Some of the boards (Arduino type things) do stop working and do need a bit of a solder re-flow to get working again.
Amazing some of the stuff that Ali-express sell, I often buy bits and pieces at prices including delivery that cost less than just the Swiss cost of posting a parcel. I do not see how this business model can continue?

I also do not see how the Swiss can check that foreign companies who charge Swiss VAT actually pay to the Swiss the correct amount? Sending Chinese speaking VAT inspectors to China seems unlikely?
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People say Xiaomi is the Apple from China.
Yes, the quality is excellent and the toys come packeged in sexy white boxes. The difference between Apple and Xiaomi, apart from the price, is that Xiaomi (so far) hasn't built an exclusive eco-system (software or hardware) that forces owners into a lifetime of buying their, and only their, expensive parts and accessories.

My only gripe with Xiaomi is that they are very slow to bring out instructions and software in English versions.
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My only gripe with Xiaomi is that they are very slow to bring out instructions and software in English versions.
I guess China is still the major market for them. I had a phone from another big Chinese manufacturer, Huawei. Software updates were rather slow but I never investigated if Chinese customers were served better
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Amazing some of the stuff that Ali-express sell, I often buy bits and pieces at prices including delivery that cost less than just the Swiss cost of posting a parcel. I do not see how this business model can continue?
I am also amazed how is it possible that the Swiss post handle the parcels for almost nothing if not for free. Actually it may be a trick made by the communistic government. Imagine the government covers for the shipment costs via Chinese post to boost Chinese production, export, employment...

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Old 31.08.2018, 17:37
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Re: End of the VAT-free exemption

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The difference between Apple and Xiaomi, apart from the price, is that Xiaomi (so far) hasn't built an exclusive eco-system (software or hardware) that forces owners into a lifetime of buying their, and only their, expensive parts and accessories.
It's possible to get into developer mode in most Xiaomi products, extract the 'security token' and then control it with third party software.

The software, as you say, is often in Chinese and quite poor but all my Xiaomi stuff is controlled via Alexa and a wall-mounted tablet rather than the clumsy smart phone app.
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Old 31.08.2018, 21:34
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I am also amazed how is it possible that the Swiss post handle the parcels for almost nothing if not for free. Actually it may be a trick made by the communistic government. Imagine the government covers for the shipment costs via Chinese post to boost Chinese production, export, employment...
It is all about the inter country agreements for handling letters and parcels that cross borders.
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It is all about the inter country agreements for handling letters and parcels that cross borders.
It is UN's Universal Postal Union which has agreements dating back to times from before the e-comerce and where the rich countries agreed to advantageous rates for the developing countries. These agreements change for parcels, albeit slowly - an example below.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle36883687/

So currently the Swiss Post is giving an edge to the Chinese competitors over domestic companies, and the domestic companies have to pay for that.
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Old 07.09.2018, 17:34
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From today's SwissInfo, "All Swiss Amazon purchases to be subjected to VAT", article here:

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/foreign-...o-vat/42482680


"The Swiss parliament has officially approved reforms to the country’s value-added tax (VAT) regime that would oblige overseas firms to impose VAT on all purchases and services. The goal is to protect Swiss firms from lower-priced competitors abroad.

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Law of unintended consequences strikes again!

Under the law that replaces Billag payments from Jan 2019 all VAT registered companies with a turnover above a certain level have to pay an annual levy to support TV and radio.

In Amazon's case this would be over CHF 36,000 although they do not have one single person here in Switzerland!

Now the Govt. are trying to rewrite the law for such companies so as they will be be excused from the levy.
Whether this change in the law conforms to "the will of the people" is an open question!
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Old 08.09.2018, 10:19
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Now the Govt. are trying to rewrite the law for such companies so as they will be be excused from the levy.
Whether this change in the law conforms to "the will of the people" is an open question!
That's why we have the referendum. If the people do not collect the needed 50k signatures it is the will of the people.

PS: The law also does not says that reception fee only applies to Swiss households. https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...794/index.html One could argue that Swiss expat households abroad which have a SAT card to watch Swiss TV have to pay the fee.

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Old 24.09.2018, 19:16
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Anybody have experience with buying from joom?

They seem to sell similar products to AliExpress but at lower prices? Does not seem possible?
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Old 24.09.2018, 21:35
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One could argue that Swiss expat households abroad which have a SAT card to watch Swiss TV have to pay the fee.
Well, they have until now at least!

Only people with a Billag registration get SAT cards.

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