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Old 13.10.2016, 23:52
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Hardly a low turn out, more people voted for BREXIT, than ever voted for anything else ever in the history of Britain. Roughly a 1 million majority or 8% more people voted to leave than stay.
Just because all UK elections and referenda have had low turnouts (rather a long way below 100%) doesn't mean that a record turnout can be considered high. The best of a bad bunch is still one of a bad bunch.
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No, there is no surcharge (tariff) on banana shipments from former European colonies in Africa and the Caribbean (ACP countries) into the EU.

Nothing to do with mfn rate or signing further agreements.

Look up EU banana import regime and inform yourself
Do you believe those are the only countries which produces bananas?

EDIT: "Since 1st January 2008, ACP banana suppliers who have initialled an EPA (Economic Partnership Agreement) benefit from duty and quota free access to the European Union market." From this source: http://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/bana...t-sheet_en.pdf

no tariff free countries even in the top 6 banana producers: http://www.countryranker.com/world-t...es-of-bananas/

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I don't know why people who support Leave must continually twist the facts?
I do know why remainers have to continually twist the facts: because the truth doesn't support their assertions.

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There are plenty of examples of referenda closer together than Switzerland's. See marton's post.
the only example of a closer referenda is Ireland.
after the "no", some more guarantees were added by the EU and the Irish changed their opinion. note that both France and Netherlands also voted against this treaty in a referendum.
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Just because all UK elections and referenda have had low turnouts (rather a long way below 100%) doesn't mean that a record turnout can be considered high. The best of a bad bunch is still one of a bad bunch.
seriously, you're going to re-define one of the highest ever vote turnout in british history as a 'low turnout'?

remainers seriously have no objectivity at all, do they?

check the headlines for a description of the turnout:

https://www.google.com/search?q=brex...42.FYepyx14AtU
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Do you believe those are the only countries which produces bananas?

EDIT: "Since 1st January 2008, ACP banana suppliers who have initialled an EPA (Economic Partnership Agreement) benefit from duty and quota free access to the European Union market." From this source: http://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/bana...t-sheet_en.pdf

no tariff free countries even in the top 6 banana producers: http://www.countryranker.com/world-t...es-of-bananas/

I do know why remainers have to continually twist the facts: because the truth doesn't support their assertions.
I wrote " there is no surcharge (tariff) on banana shipments from former European colonies in Africa and the Caribbean (ACP countries) into the EU" which is the truth.

You added "ACP banana suppliers who have initialled an EPA (Economic Partnership Agreement) benefit from duty and quota free access to the European Union market" which is a different statement.
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seriously, you're going to re-define the highest ever vote turnout in british history as a 'low turnout'?

remainers seriously have no objectivity at all, do they?

check the headline for a description of the turnout:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7098541.html
"In 1992 - the highwater mark for participation in recent general elections - a total of 33,614,074 people went to the ballot box " so Brexit was not " the highest ever vote turnout in british history"

BTW, the highest post-war turnout was 83.9 per cent in the 1950 general election, but a smaller population meant that was only 28,771,124 votes
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"In 1992 - the highwater mark for participation in recent general elections - a total of 33,614,074 people went to the ballot box " so Brexit was not " the highest ever vote turnout in british history"

BTW, the highest post-war turnout was 83.9 per cent in the 1950 general election, but a smaller population meant that was only 28,771,124 votes
i said one of the highest
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I wrote " there is no surcharge (tariff) on banana shipments from former European colonies in Africa and the Caribbean (ACP countries) into the EU" which is the truth.

You added "ACP banana suppliers who have initialled an EPA (Economic Partnership Agreement) benefit from duty and quota free access to the European Union market" which is a different statement.
which is also a true statement, but doesn't detract from you trying to twist the facts to argue against my statement that the UK has the ability to reduce tariffs.

edit: made bigger in case you missed it and would like to respond, marton:

i'm not sure whether marton was deliberately trying to be deceptive or truly believed that only former European colonies in Africa and the Caribbean grow bananas.

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Except the UK can only produce a little more than half its own food in total. Where are you going to magic the other half from?
source for this claim?
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which is also a true statement, but doesn't detract from you trying to twist the facts to argue against my statement that the UK has the ability to reduce tariffs.

i'm not sure whether you were deliberately trying to be deceptive or truly believed that only former European colonies in Africa and the Caribbean grow bananas.
marton seems to spend every waking moment on this forum arguing tirelessly about Brexit, or Muslims. It is quite extraordinary.
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Old 14.10.2016, 08:28
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seriously, you're going to re-define one of the highest ever vote turnout in british history as a 'low turnout'?

remainers seriously have no objectivity at all, do they?

check the headlines for a description of the turnout:

https://www.google.com/search?q=brex...42.FYepyx14AtU
Yes, , I would certainly characterise a voter turnout of just 72% as low, compared to the turnout achieved in countries with compulsory voting (for example, >93% in every general election in Australia in the last 70 years except this year's, when the turnout was 91%). If you want true democracy, then every voice must be heard. Note that "being heard" does not necessarily mean casting a vote — electors can choose to forfeit their vote at the polling station if they choose, but at least they will have made a conscious decision to do so, rather than not being arsed to go and vote like 28% of eligible British citizens. Actually, I'm astonished that you think that leaving the opinion of more than one in four voters unheard is acceptable on an issue this important.

I'm not sure whether your remark on objectivity is aimed at me, but I'm neither a Remainer nor a Leaver. I didn't vote in the referendum (despite being a British citizen, I was ineligible due to being off the voting register for so long) and I had no fixed opinion, although I instinctively felt that leaving would be unlikely to be beneficial to the UK — a feeling that is now being borne out.

By the way, in 13 general elections in the UK since 1945, voter turnout surpassed 72%, so the Brexit referendum turnout was far from superlative.
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you cannot organise referendums until you have one with an outcome in your favour. that is not very democratic.
Certainly. However, refusing those against a certain change to keep fighting for their cause would itself be undemocratic. So at some point it's Ok to have another one.

I'm not arguing for another vote, that's up to the Brits to decide (though considering the debate and the small overweight of Leavers I think it would be a good idea). I'm just saying what I quoted can't be taken as an absolutum.
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Certainly. However, refusing those against a certain change to keep fighting for their cause would itself be undemocratic. So at some point it's Ok to have another one.

I'm not arguing for another vote, that's up to the Brits to decide (though considering the debate and the small overweight of Leavers I think it would be a good idea). I'm just saying what I quoted can't be taken as an absolutum.
I was watching some athletics last night, some of the classic 100 and 200 metre races. There was a cracker with Bolt winning by the smallest margin over Tyson Gay, just a hundredth of a second, but the result stood. No rerun because it was really close, they just let it stand as the final outcome.
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Yes, , I would certainly characterise a voter turnout of just 72% as low, compared to the turnout achieved in countries with compulsory voting
compared to a completely different country nice try
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Certainly. However, refusing those against a certain change to keep fighting for their cause would itself be undemocratic. So at some point it's Ok to have another one.

I'm not arguing for another vote, that's up to the Brits to decide (though considering the debate and the small overweight of Leavers I think it would be a good idea). I'm just saying what I quoted can't be taken as an absolutum.

The rules were VERY clear from the start, one referendum, one question, in or out, yes or no
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The rules were VERY clear from the start, one referendum, one question, in or out, yes or no
What I find amazing, is how many supposedly educated people did not understand the rules, those same people also say the voters did not understand the question!
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marton seems to spend every waking moment on this forum arguing tirelessly about Brexit, or Muslims. It is quite extraordinary.
Thank goodness for that, thank you Marton.

What are you here for? How many of your posts are just here to attack people like Marton.


What amazes me is just how many people spend so much time on EF when they supposedly are in the middle of their work day, on the average 120k expat salary.
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marton seems to spend every waking moment on this forum arguing tirelessly about Brexit, or Muslims. It is quite extraordinary.
Marton is retired so has plenty of time to spend on here arguing about things he's passionate about.
What's your excuse for spending so much time on here?
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I was watching some athletics last night, some of the classic 100 and 200 metre races. There was a cracker with Bolt winning by the smallest margin over Tyson Gay, just a hundredth of a second, but the result stood. No rerun because it was really close, they just let it stand as the final outcome.
That's strange cos I'm sure I've seen Bolt racing against Gay dozens of times.
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What I find amazing, is how many supposedly educated people did not understand the rules, those same people also say the voters did not understand the question!
Non-binding referendum, how many supposedly educated people understand that?
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