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You still don't get it. Compulsory voting is the purest form of democracy.
In your opinion. But it may not be the best. Who knows, maybe the strength of one's belief being factored in by whether you can be bothered to vote or not is a good thing?

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Exactly. I agree. That's why it makes perfect sense to hold a confirmatory (or otherwise) referendum before Article 50 is triggered.
That's exactly what the Brexit referendum was. A vote on whether to leave the EU.
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not according to tusk. he says it's either hard brexit, or no brexit.
But you are perpetuating "the EU" myth, the EU states will decide; not Tusk
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Old 14.10.2016, 12:28
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Try asking the jobless young of Merthyr Tydfil which way they would vote, I guess you know the answer.
Funny, I lived in Merthyr Tydfil a long time ago when it was a busy coal mining town.

It does not matter how they vote their position will not improve!

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Old 14.10.2016, 12:39
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Okay I'll have a go at this.

New empire? - Nope, no illusions here
Rule Britannia - Never I'm a republican, I would break up Buckingham Palace and turn it into drop in centre for the homeless of London.
Screw up? - You just can't tell.
Britain who doesn't have the investment resources? - Not true, we have them they're just tied up in casino banking jacking up house prices and lending out sub-prime loans.

Britain has a huge trade deficit, buying shite we just don't need.

We have an over reliance on a corrupt and fraudulent banking system that has not paid any real tax for years, a huge housing bubble and a company/business "friendly environment" that allows the 1% to get away with tax evasion and paying poverty wages. There is no accountability for this scum.

It's time for the UK to take the finger out of it's arse and get back to work producing and manufacturing which has now become quite interesting to the rest of the world as UK goods are suddenly 10% odd cheaper. Making good investment opportunities for outside investment. (It becomes cheap to invest) These manufacturing companies pay tax too in the UK and provide good well paid long term jobs = win/win/win
"UK goods are suddenly 10% odd cheaper" Don't be naive. The suppliers are simply trousering any extra profit if there is any.

And for the extra naive amateur economists who believed the pounds collapse will help car exports
"Ford Motor, General Motors' Vauxhall division and Nissan are among automakers that have raised prices for their new cars in the UK in response to the pound's collapse following the country's Brexit vote to leave the European Union.

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Incidentally according to the Daily Mail today "UK car prices highest in Europe".
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But you are perpetuating "the EU" myth, the EU states will decide; not Tusk
no i'm not. stop mis-representing everything i write!

i didn't even mention the EU. or the word 'deciding'.
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That's strange cos I'm sure I've seen Bolt racing against Gay dozens of times.
and when the race finished, did they call that the result for that race or did they say it was too close to call and run it again ?
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"UK goods are suddenly 10% odd cheaper" Don't be naive. The suppliers are simply trousering any extra profit if there is any.

And for the extra naive amateur economists who believed the pounds collapse will help car exports
"Ford Motor, General Motors' Vauxhall division and Nissan are among automakers that have raised prices for their new cars in the UK in response to the pound's collapse following the country's Brexit vote to leave the European Union.

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Incidentally according to the Daily Mail today "UK car prices highest in Europe".
Couldn't care less that car prices in the UK are rising. Do you really need that new car?

It WILL lead to more exports, what has buying a car in the UK got to do with those sold worldwide? What is the biggest cost for most businesses? The staff.

More junk people don't need in the UK funded by sub prime loans, which will fund the next collapse in the ponzi scheme. People are far too reliant on buying stuff on credit and this is a big problem.

More import is the balance of trade for the UK, debt = interest due which the taxpayers have to pay. Again consumerism without any production is a slow death to a country. Ask America they'll be 20 trillion in the red by the time Obama leaves office. The petrodollar is the only reason why the country isn't bankrupt.

For far too long supposed "first world countries" have not paid their debts.

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On the Conservative government's European policy
"A parliament composed largely of parliamentary pygmies accepting a slide towards being little more than a provincial assembly with subordinate powers to legislate over a shrinking proportion of our national affairs."
November 1996

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Old 14.10.2016, 13:06
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Couldn't care less that car prices in the UK are rising. Do you really need that new car?

It WILL lead to more exports, what has buying a car in the UK got to do with those sold worldwide? What is the biggest cost for most businesses? The staff.

More junk people don't need in the UK funded by sub prime loans, which will fund the next collapse in the ponzi scheme. People are far too reliant on buying stuff on credit and this is a big problem.

More import is the balance of trade for the UK, debt = interest due which the taxpayers have to pay. Again consumerism without any production is a slow death to a country. Ask America they'll be 20 trillion in the red by the time Obama leaves office. The petrodollar is the only reason why the country isn't bankrupt.

For far too long supposed "first world countries" have not paid their debts.
"What is the biggest cost for most businesses? The staff." You are talking about car manufacturing; here raw material costs are 47% and labour costs only 21%
Do you ever check bother to check your facts before posting?

Do you have a credible source to prove UK export prices are now lower?

"More import is the balance of trade for the UK" True, so why walk away from the EU who take almost half our exports
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Old 14.10.2016, 13:07
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and when the race finished, did they call that the result for that race or did they say it was too close to call and run it again ?
Was it announced as a "non-binding" race

BTW, it is not unusual to re-run races
Example

Here are the rules for rerunning track events
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"What is the biggest cost for most businesses? The staff." You are talking about car manufacturing; here raw material costs are 47% and labour costs only 21%
Do you ever check bother to check your facts before posting?

Do you have a credible source to prove UK export prices are now lower?

"More import is the balance of trade for the UK" True, so why walk away from the EU who take almost half our exports
You know this is not possible trade figures are released after the event, come back in 2017 asking that question.

"Most" means the UK consists of more industries than just car plants. Do you bother reading what is written?

Why is the UK walking away from all trade with the EU? Are we bricking up the Channel tunnel? Was that ever mentioned? NO.

Page 10 GVA = 0.5% Automotive is a small part of the GVA for the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...r-analysis.pdf
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source for this claim?
For example


"In 2010, the UK produced 73% of ‘indigenous-type foods’, and is about 60% self-sufficient when exports and local consumption are set against production "


http://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/food/uk-facts.html


I think that does it for the moment...I recall reading figures that it is now about 56% but can't be bothered to search further. Seems to be difficult finding post-2010 data
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Was it announced as a "non-binding" race

BTW, it is not unusual to re-run races
Example

Here are the rules for rerunning track events
Adopting those rules to the Brexit campaign there would be a cast iron case for a re-run
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"In 2010, the UK produced 73% of ‘indigenous-type foods’, and is about 60% self-sufficient when exports and local consumption are set against production "


http://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/food/uk-facts.html


I think that does it for the moment...I recall reading figures that it is now about 56% but can't be bothered to search further. Seems to be difficult finding post-2010 data
quite a bit different than what you said:

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Except the UK can only produce a little more than half its own food in total. Where are you going to magic the other half from?
What you cite says only what is currently produced, not what it is possible to produce.
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Try asking the jobless young of Merthyr Tydfil which way they would vote, I guess you know the answer.
Funny you should say that, guess where the Welsh European Funding Office that handles the billions of EU grants is located.
Address: Rhydycar Business Park, Rhydycar, Merthyr Tydfil CF48 1UZ, United Kingdom

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you; providing grants that give work to local people.

Never mind, I am sure the UK Govt. will pump billions into the welsh valleys
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Funny you should say that, guess where the Welsh European Funding Office that handles the billions of EU grants is located.
Address: Rhydycar Business Park, Rhydycar, Merthyr Tydfil CF48 1UZ, United Kingdom

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you; providing grants that give work to local people.

Never mind, I am sure the UK Govt. will pump billions into the welsh valleys
The EU money is having dramatic effects obviously. These young unemployed people mostly saw nothing in their pockets.

A worrying trend is the number of young people not in employment. A third (33.1 %) of 16-24 year olds living in the County Borough were out of work in September 2012. In January 2013, there were 765 young people aged 16-24 years claiming JSA in Merthyr Tydfil, 10.9 % of that population. This rate whilst improved on the previous year is well above the national rate (6.5 %) and is the second highest of all local authorities. The most recent trends show that since 2005 the unemployment rate for young people across Merthyr Tydfil has been consistently higher than the rates for Wales and the UK (ILO unemployment rate).

In 2011 Child poverty in Merthyr Tydfil was 27.2% (the second highest rate in Wales), down from the 2010 figure of 28.2%. The Wales average was 21.9% and the UK average 20.1%.

http://www.merthyr.gov.uk/media/1548...or-2014-15.pdf

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What you cite says only what is currently produced, not what it is possible to produce.
if only British food would be available, the migrant issue will be solved in no time
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quite a bit different than what you said:

What you cite says only what is currently produced, not what it is possible to produce.
Actually pretty well exactly what I said. "A little more than half". 60% in 2010 and (I believe) about 56% now - yep, matches.

75% of the UKs land is already used for agriculture (UK ONS). This is an extremely high figure by global standards and already indicates there is little room for expansion. 13% is forestry (and most of this is not suitable for other purposes) and 10% is built-on and related.


Given that Uk agriculture is already extremely intensive (and probably unsustainably so in the long term but that's another arguement), where are you going to get your extra food from?

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The EU money is having dramatic effects obviously. These young unemployed people mostly saw nothing in their pockets.

A worrying trend is the number of young people not in employment. A third (33.1 %) of 16-24 year olds living in the County Borough were out of work in September 2012. In January 2013, there were 765 young people aged 16-24 years claiming JSA in Merthyr Tydfil, 10.9 % of that population. This rate whilst improved on the previous year is well above the national rate (6.5 %) and is the second highest of all local authorities. The most recent trends show that since 2005 the unemployment rate for young people across Merthyr Tydfil has been consistently higher than the rates for Wales and the UK (ILO unemployment rate).

In 2011 Child poverty in Merthyr Tydfil was 27.2% (the second highest rate in Wales), down from the 2010 figure of 28.2%. The Wales average was 21.9% and the UK average 20.1%.

Don't worry though you get a new car park.
You of course ignore the fact that the long term trend is firmly down. 28% unemployment (census data) in 1991, 10% in 2001, further down mid 00's, back up to 10% with the financial crisis in 2010 and 6% now.


I wonder where that would have been if the EU hadn't pitched in with funds given the neglect of the UK government.
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Actually pretty well exactly what I said. "A little more than half". 60% in 2010 and (I believe) about 56% now - yep, matches.

75% of the UKs land is already used for agriculture (UK ONS). This is an extremely high figure by global standards and already indicates there is little room for expansion. 13% is forestry (and most of this is not suitable for other purposes) and 10% is built-on and related.


Given that Uk agriculture is already extremely intensive (and probably unsustainably so in the long term but that's another arguement), where are you going to get your extra food from?
to be clear, the big difference i refer to is that you claim the figure you cited to be the absolute maximum level of food production for the UK, whereas it is just what is currently being produced.
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