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justcamehere 14.01.2017 01:30

transfer UK state pension contribution to Switzerland
 
Hello,

I came to Switzerland very recently from the U.K. .In the U.K. I made N.I. contributions. A part of NI contributions are allocated for public healthcare and another part is allocated for pensions.

The U.K. has a pay as you go public pension system, so this is not about a transferring assets from a defined contribution fund (like a U.K. private pension fund). From my understanding Pillar 1 functions in a similar way.

My question is how can I transfer the credits/years of contributions from the U.K. to Switzerland? I know that e.g. this is possible within the EU (to transfer credits from one country to another).

The U.K. is still in the EU (though on its way out) and Switzerland has many bilateral agreements with the EU, would someone know if the above is possible? if so, what is the process that should be followed?

Best,
K

NotAllThere 14.01.2017 08:18

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Originally Posted by justcamehere (Post 2723285)
...A part of NI contributions are allocated for public healthcare and another part is allocated for pensions...

Point of order, perhaps a little pendantic, but this is what successive UK governments would like you to believe. In fact, NI contributions - employers' and employees' - go into the same general tax pot as income tax.

Jim2007 14.01.2017 09:55

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Originally Posted by justcamehere (Post 2723285)
I know that e.g. this is possible within the EU (to transfer credits from one country to another).

No that is not the case. For the moment it is possible to have your UK contributions taken into account in calculating your maximum pension, should you fail to qualify for a full pension in any jurisdiction. See the pension website of any member state for details of how it is done.

Given the current situation and the fact that the U.K. allows on going voluntary contributions it is worth investigating this option.

Quote:

The U.K. is still in the EU (though on its way out) and Switzerland has many bilateral agreements with the EU, would someone know if the above is possible?
No see above.

AbFab 14.01.2017 10:47

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Your UK state pension will be frozen until you reach pensionable age. You will start another state pension in Switzerland (AHV 1st column).

When you reach pensionable age (about 80 if you are in your 20s now) you will draw two pensions both paid either in s in the UK or CHF here.

Important: you should ask the UK people for a projection of your pension and whether a contribution limp sum top up is worthwhile...

Jim2007 14.01.2017 12:12

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Originally Posted by AbFab (Post 2723341)
When you reach pensionable age (about 80 if you are in your 20s now) you will draw two pensions both paid either in s in the UK or CHF here...

With both systems be pay as you go and an aging workforce that may turn out to be a fair tale if your in your 20s

justcamehere 14.01.2017 23:23

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Originally Posted by AbFab (Post 2723341)
Your UK state pension will be frozen until you reach pensionable age. You will start another state pension in Switzerland (AHV 1st column).

When you reach pensionable age (about 80 if you are in your 20s now) you will draw two pensions both paid either in s in the UK or CHF here.

Important: you should ask the UK people for a projection of your pension and whether a contribution limp sum top up is worthwhile...

Thanks for this, which government agency should I be contacting about projections/a contribution lump sum?

AbFab 20.01.2017 00:32

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Originally Posted by justcamehere (Post 2723728)
Thanks for this, which government agency should I be contacting about projections/a contribution lump sum?

Generally when you leave the UK and advise the authorities, they move you from your previous tax and Social Security office to an overseas one. The address I have is:

Newcastle Pension Centre
The Pension Service 11
Mail Handling Site A
Wolverhampton
WV98 1LW England.

email:
tvp.internationalqueries@dwp.gsi.gov.uk

justcamehere 20.01.2017 00:45

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Originally Posted by AbFab (Post 2726929)
Generally when you leave the UK and advise the authorities, they move you from your previous tax and Social Security office to an overseas one. The address I have is:

Newcastle Pension Centre
The Pension Service 11
Mail Handling Site A
Wolverhampton
WV98 1LW England.

email:
tvp.internationalqueries@dwp.gsi.gov.uk

Many thanks for this, I will contact them.

Btw as you mention authorities, I have notified HMRC that I have left the UK, are there any other authorities I should had notified as well ?

Medea Fleecestealer 20.01.2017 08:15

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Whole load of info here

https://www.gov.uk/browse/working/state-pension

MsWorWoo 20.01.2017 12:51

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Originally Posted by Jim2007 (Post 2723323)

Given the current situation and the fact that the U.K. allows on going voluntary contributions it is worth investigating this option.

Here is the form for voluntary contribution.
Last two pages.
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload.../NI38_CF83.pdf

mamas 14.09.2017 16:12

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Hello everybody,

I'm in a similar situation and I've contacted HMRC that has told me exactly this, with the addition that you need to have paid contributions for at least 10 years in UK to qualify for state pension. I haven't and still it is unclear to me if I have completely lost those contributions.

Best regards,
Marco

Medea Fleecestealer 14.09.2017 16:31

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Check if you are eligible to make voluntary payments to make up the difference.

mamas 14.09.2017 16:46

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Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2847138)
Check if you are eligible to make voluntary payments to make up the difference.

HMRC told me that is the option I have. Is it the only one?

Medea Fleecestealer 14.09.2017 16:53

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If you want a UK State pension, yes.

mamas 14.09.2017 16:56

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Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 2847149)
If you want a UK State pension, yes.

I would like to transfer those contributions but I've been told I cannot. On the other hand I wouldn't like to pay voluntary contributions for something I might never get. So basically my contributions are lost

Medea Fleecestealer 14.09.2017 17:15

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Unless you die before you reach UK retirement age you should get the pension.

Guest 14.09.2017 22:13

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Originally Posted by mamas (Post 2847151)
I would like to transfer those contributions but I've been told I cannot. On the other hand I wouldn't like to pay voluntary contributions for something I might never get. So basically my contributions are lost

They will not be lost if you pay vcs up to the ten years, that's the point of it.

mamas 14.11.2019 13:31

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Having another look at this, I found the following

https://www.gov.uk/new-state-pension...rking-overseas

It looks like you don't need 10 years contributions in the UK if you have worked in other EEA countries (or Switzerland).

"You may be able to use time spent abroad to make up the 10 qualifying years. This is most likely if youve lived or worked in:

the EEA
Gibraltar
Switzerland
certain countries that have a social security agreement with the UK"

Am I understanding correctly?

catandmouse 15.11.2019 23:10

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I've just retired (here in Switzerland), so at age 65, but have worked in the UK (6 years of recognized contributions), as well as in France and Germany and obviously Switzerland. I'm still battling for the small amounts I will get from France and the UK, the Germans were efficient and are paying me a monthly pension.
Whilst you need a minimum of 10 years of contributions to get a UK pension, the years you contribute to other pension systems in the EU (including Switzerland) count towards those 10 years.
I'm battling with the incompetents at the UK pension system, who accept that I have a right to a UK pension, but are incapable of doing the paperwork. Phoning them is a battle (the only number that you can call is a number in Newcastle, +44 191 218 7777). You then have go through a press 1 for this, 3 for that and so on, but in my experience you can press pretty much any sequence and get through to the same person. Make sure you have your NI number and be prepared to confirm your identity in various ways.

mamas 16.11.2019 12:42

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Many thanks for your reply; I'm still far away from retirement, I hope they'll get better :D
Good luck!


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