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MWST on my own stuff?

Hey, I hope that someone can help me with this MWST question ...

I came to Switzerland 15 years ago with nearly all my earthly belongings except my LP (vinyl) collection of about 600 LP's, which I left with a fellow music-lover for safekeeping. These LP's were collected over a period of about 30 years. Actually it's more than 30 - I started when I got my first turntable and that was before 1975.

Eventually I realised that I wasn't going to return to my home country and had my LP's shipped to Switzerland in July last year.

Today I received a bill for VAT from TNT Swiss Post. In my opinion there should not be any VAT payable because I was simply shipping my property to me. Is this right, or am I missing something?
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Re: MWST on my own stuff?

You have to pay as you didn't declare it as part of your belongings when you moved here.

Sorry.

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Re: MWST on my own stuff?

Urgh, that sucks

But thanks for the info.
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You have to pay as you didn't declare it as part of your belongings when you moved here.
Even if he would have . The time limit is normally 24 Months.

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How much time do I have to import the items which are still abroad?
The household effects should be imported during the period of transfer of domicile. No problem is posed if this occurs within a period of 2 years. The main prerequisite that the articles should have been used for a period of at least six (6) months before the transfer of domicile must nonetheless be respected. With regard to subsequent consignments, tax exemption will only be granted under certain conditions.
https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home...val-goods.html
You may contact customs and ask them what those "certain conditions" are.
But I suspect they want at least to see the original 18.44 where the LPs are listed as one of you possession you wish to import at some point.
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Re: MWST on my own stuff?

Didn't think I'd be here for longer than five years.

Ah well, at least I have good taste in music and my LP's are worth it. I also have a kick-ass turntable :-P
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Re: MWST on my own stuff?

What you maybe could do is contest the amount of MWSt due, by claiming that the value of your 600 second-hand LPs is say max. CHF 1,200, therefore MWSt of CHF 96 is due. (Or did you already state some value on the shipping label?) I doubt that the customs people would be experts in valuing old LPs, which you could argue is obsolete technology with close to no value.
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Great idea, thanks. They wanna whack me for better than CHF 700!

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Great idea, thanks. They wanna whack me for better than CHF 700!
For 600 old LPs?!?! That CHF 700 would include an inspection fee, but still, that means they're valuing the LPs at more than CHF 14 each. I bet you didn't even pay that much for most of them when they were new.
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Great idea, thanks. They wanna whack me for better than CHF 700!
What value did you put on the customs declaration or proforma bill?
CHF 0? Noob
~CHF 7500? Selberschuld
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For 600 old LPs?!?! That CHF 700 would include an inspection fee, but still, that means they're valuing the LPs at more than CHF 14 each. I bet you didn't even pay that much for most of them when they were new.
Heck, the most expensive one cost me the equivalent of about CHF 8 (and I have Original Master Recordings in there!).

It does include an inspection fee (140.40 - "Abfertigungsgebühr"), though I'm not sure what was inspected...

But you live & learn, hey? Some lessons are just more expensive than others.
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Heck, the most expensive one cost me the equivalent of about CHF 8 (and I have Original Master Recordings in there!).

It does include an inspection fee (140.40 - "Abfertigungsgebühr"), though I'm not sure what was inspected...

But you live & learn, hey? Some lessons are just more expensive than others.
Don't accept the bill. Challenge it. The inspection fee should also come down.
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What value did you put on the customs declaration or proforma bill?
CHF 0? Noob
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I think my buddy who took care of the mailing from that side put something like CHF 50 on it. But obviously we didn't expect to get gouged by some minor functionary

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Don't accept the bill. Challenge it. The inspection fee should also come down.
Damn straight. That's gonna happen.

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I think my buddy who took care of the mailing from that side put something like CHF 50 on it.
Bad idea.

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Re: MWST on my own stuff?

On Ricardo those old LPs seem to go for about 10-20 a piece, which could explain 6000 Fr value, that the customs seem to have assigned to hit you with such a bill.

What's exactly on the bill? How they calculated the value?
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I think my buddy who took care of the mailing from that side put something like CHF 50 on it. But obviously we didn't expect to get gouged by some minor functionary
That's what smuggler allways say.
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On Ricardo those old LPs seem to go for about 10-20 a piece, which could explain 6000 Fr value, that the customs seem to have assigned to hit you with such a bill.

What's exactly on the bill? How they calculated the value?
They say CHF 7160 for 600 LP's. That would be CHF 11.87 per LP ... Interesting amount. No idea how they arrived at that.
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They say CHF 7160 for 600 LP's. That would be CHF 11.87 per LP ... Interesting amount. No idea how they arrived at that.
Probably the average price of used LPs.

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Probably the average price of used LPs.

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Yeah, they probably have their sources and reasons Hopefully I'll be able to find out a bit about it.
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Re: MWST on my own stuff?

Tax is payable on market value of goods in principle. If you want to contest their bill, you'll need good arguments why the real market value is lower than what they calculated. Otherwise you have no chance and will pay even more for a consideration of your objection.

My suggestion is look around at ricardo and ebay auctions. For example wait a couple days and see what this collection of 117 old LPs sells for - https://www.ricardo.ch/kaufen/musik-...v/an879753378/. It's already at 251 Fr, which makes your collection worth 1287 Fr by comparison, much more than 50 Fr you've declared.

There may be also a relatively short deadline since import to contest the bill. Look carefully at the dates.
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