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Old 17.06.2017, 11:10
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Re: How safe is your E-Trading account?

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Does key logging work if you copy and paste passwords??
Would not recommend it! Basically your saving your password to the clip board (run time memory) which is accessible to any program that can have access and read it. Maybe try a password manager like LastPass or eWallet (illiumsoft.com). Both will even open the site and enter the passord for you.
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Old 17.06.2017, 15:09
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Maybe use a service that guarantees your assets: https://www.tdameritrade.com/securit...guarantee.page

Aside from that use your browser in private mode (i.e. incognito in Chrome) and log in to your computer as a normal user (not as Administrator).
That's interesting, that Ameritrade protects against such things. Thanks.

What is the benefit of using private mode? And tab is sandboxed anyway. From what I know you use private mode to access shady websites.

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Broker accounts usually only linked to 12 bank account.

So even if hacked they can only send money to your bank account.

Being hacked on your bank account is a bigger issue than your broker.
Disagree. I even gave an example. OK, you don't steal the money easily. But you can execute damaging trades, especially leveraged ones. Broker is where money does the work, so naturally you should have much more money there, than in your bank account. So I don't see how broker hack is less of an issue.
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Re: How safe is your E-Trading account?

I think IB is pretty safe. I check it daily though. Also cash in the account is protected up to 250k USD.
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Old 17.06.2017, 19:45
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But you can execute damaging trades, especially leveraged ones.
I doubt anyone would bother to hack into your account to do a damaging trade
In any case unless you have signed further forms you won't be able to use leverage, it's only available for sophisticated investors.
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Old 18.06.2017, 11:03
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That's interesting, that Ameritrade protects against such things. Thanks.

What is the benefit of using private mode? And tab is sandboxed anyway. From what I know you use private mode to access shady websites.
Private mode basically disables your extensions (except those specifically extra authorized) and stops history logging. So its an additional security precaution. More important is that you're not logged in as administrator. Most people are cause that is the windows default.
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I think IB is pretty safe. I check it daily though. Also cash in the account is protected up to 250k USD.
In IB UK account? Not really. US stocks are (maybe) SIPC covered as they should be held in custody by IB LLC in US, but cash and other assets at IB UK are only covered by UK's FSCS upto 50k GBP. There's one good thing with this arrangement however - cash at US brokers is apparently considered US situs assets, so keeping it in UK avoids troubles with US estate tax

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What is the benefit of using private mode? And tab is sandboxed anyway.
No benefit once your machine's compromised through any other means. I'd recommend a separate laptop, and if you're really paranoid look at qubes os.

Two factor must be enabled for everything whenever possible, this goes without even saying. And not the cheap insecure sms-based one

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In IB UK account? Not really. US stocks are (maybe) SIPC covered as they should be held in custody by IB LLC in US, but cash and other assets at IB UK are only covered by UK's FSCS upto 50k GBP. There's one good thing with this arrangement however - cash at US brokers is apparently considered US situs assets, so keeping it in UK avoids troubles with US estate tax
Link? I was told otherwise...
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Re: How safe is your E-Trading account?

Link for what?

Anyway, here's one:
http://ibkb.interactivebrokers.com/node/2016

Q: Does IBUK offer additional protection above the industry standard?
A: IBUK does not offer additional protection above the FSCS.

SIPC and Lloyds insurance that they so often advertise only applies to their US subsidiary.
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Re: How safe is your E-Trading account?

I've also thought about this before.


I use HL in the UK and there is a password for logging in (or fingerprint on the app), then a different password for trading.


As stated earlier, I can only withdraw to my bank account so there is no risk of somebody withdrawing my money to another account. However, there is the risk that someone could login and mess with my account.


At the very least there, I would get an E-Mail showing the trade and could then act on it by phoning the broker.


It is surprising that the security is a bit 'lax' compared to banks, which use key generators / apps for each login.
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As stated earlier, I can only withdraw to my bank account so there is no risk of somebody withdrawing my money to another account. However, there is the risk that someone could login and mess with my account.
I was also thinking about such a scenario:
1. The hacker buys some low volume penny stocks for the price of 0.01 from his own account
2. Then he places an order to sell for at least 0.02
3. Then he logs in to your account and places an order to buy with all the money there is on the account
4. Because the depth of the market is low, the price jumps from 0.01 to 0.02 and the hacker makes 100% profit, because he is on the other end of the transaction.

Would this work?
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I was also thinking about such a scenario:
1. The hacker buys some low volume penny stocks for the price of 0.01 from his own account
2. Then he places an order to sell for at least 0.02
3. Then he logs in to your account and places an order to buy with all the money there is on the account
4. Because the depth of the market is low, the price jumps from 0.01 to 0.02 and the hacker makes 100% profit, because he is on the other end of the transaction.

Would this work?
I guess the trades would be reversed........ settlement is not for cash, its a few days later.
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