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grumpygrapefruit 27.06.2019 16:34

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Originally Posted by Alice K (Post 3079223)
I wasn't given anything to read, the delivery guy was busy on his phone and said nothing to me. Do they not have a duty to say they are going to charge?

I am really struggling to understand how they can charge me for receiving a gift. I agree with the poster above - it is shitty.

At the end of the day you are importing goods and are responsible for paying MwsT (and in some cases import duty) as well as any admin fees. It's the same with most countries. Last year I sent my brother in Madrid some cheese by Post. The value was about 50 chufs plus post (another 50!) and he had to pay about 40 Euros to collect it from the Spanish post office.

The threshold in CH is goods (including delivery cost) below 5.00 MwsT are exempt from MwsT and any handling charges.

EdwinNL 27.06.2019 17:07

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Originally Posted by grumpygrapefruit (Post 3079256)
The threshold in CH is goods (including delivery cost) below 5.00 MwsT are exempt from MwsT and any handling charges.

To avoid confusion for future readers:

This only goes if a correct and proper bill is on the outside of the package, if it is included so they have to open the box than the value does not matter and they can still charge handling costs.

bowlie 27.06.2019 17:27

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That's the "admin fee" ;)

They normally don't open it if there is an invoice accompanying the airway bill, and the invoice shows a bona fide amount for the contents.
:whisper: Psst. It is actually an Air Waybill

st2lemans 27.06.2019 17:41

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Originally Posted by Alice K (Post 3079252)
lots of hidden charges that you just have to grin and bear.

Except for the fact that they are not hidden at all! :rolleyes:

Tom

Guest 28.06.2019 08:59

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Originally Posted by Alice K (Post 3079255)

People are asking about the value of the gift. The issue here is, I think, that I didn't know the value until I had signed for it.
It was above the MWSt value, but there was no way of me knowing that.


It just seems odd that I could send an empty box, claim it has a high value and the person receiving it has to pay the MWSt and any admin fee the delivery company deems fit to charge.

Where is the incentive to be honest in the cost of an item?


Rubbish, it is indicated on the packet and documents which you may examine before signing.


Why would anybody send an empty box, how would they know your address and where to send it, i think you should maybe step back a bit.....


The incentive, if the check, and they do check by all means possible, you will have a problem, especially if it is repeated frequently.


The authorities know all the tricks, you're a rank amateur when it comes to trying to fool them ;)

3Wishes 28.06.2019 11:54

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Originally Posted by Alice K (Post 3079223)
I wasn't given anything to read, the delivery guy was busy on his phone and said nothing to me.

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Originally Posted by Alice K (Post 3079252)
...Delivery driver doesn't know how much it might be and won't let me see the attached documents until I sign for the parcel.

Which is it? :confused: Either he was on the phone and didn't indicate anything, so you signed, or you deliberately asked him to look at the documents and he wouldn't let you? Either way, it's best to ask to look at the parcel before you sign for it, just to make sure it's really for you, etc.

Also tell your friends and family that when they send gifts they should do their best to follow procedures - make sure the info is clearly visible and that the amounts declared are not inflated.

Alice K 28.06.2019 18:35

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Thanks everyone for your thoughtful responses.
To answer a couple of questions before putting this comment to bed, delivery guy was on phone- didn't interact with me. I have spoken to DHL corporate who tell me they can't tell me how much the costs will be until I have signed for the parcel.
So to any other naive souls out there, receiving a gift with a declared value of 100chf - (gift + shipping), it is going to cost you, not only the MWSt, but also an admin charge - which in my case was almost 25% of the gift's value.

3Wishes 28.06.2019 18:40

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Originally Posted by Alice K (Post 3079573)
...So to any other naive souls out there, receiving a gift with a declared value of 100chf - (gift + shipping), it is going to cost you, not only the MWSt, but also an admin charge - which in my case was almost 25% of the gift's value.

Also be aware that DHL's admin charges are practically legendary here on EF. Thanks to that information, I avoid DHL if at all possible.

Caryl 28.06.2019 20:34

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Can't I post a brick to my worst enemy and label it as a gold bar worth £1,000?

Guest 28.06.2019 20:44

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Originally Posted by Caryl (Post 3079597)
Can't I post a brick to my worst enemy and label it as a gold bar worth £1,000?

You are living in 3019! :D

doropfiz 28.06.2019 21:06

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Could anyone please explain why this procedure - which really stings if one is genuinely receiving an unexpected gift - doesn't seem to apply to flowers?

When a friend from abroad sends me a gift in a box of, say, T-Shirts, to use the example above, this can cost me around Fr. 30 to Fr. 100 (or more?). And I can never be exactly sure of how big the sting will be, nor can I verify any part of it, since I don't know the gift is on its way in the first place, and I had nothing to do with how much my friend spent, nor can I know the way my friend declared the gift, nor can I know about the conditions imposed by the the courier my friend (or my friend's online shop) elected to use.

When the same friend still living abroad sends me a gift of bouquet, that is free, to me. His order definitely arose in abroad. He didn't order through a Swiss florist.

EdwinNL 28.06.2019 21:32

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Originally Posted by doropfiz (Post 3079603)
Could anyone please explain why this procedure - which really stings if one is genuinely receiving an unexpected gift - doesn't seem to apply to flowers?

When a friend from abroad sends me a gift in a box of, say, T-Shirts, to use the example above, this can cost me around Fr. 30 to Fr. 100 (or more?). And I can never be exactly sure of how big the sting will be, nor can I verify any part of it, since I don't know the gift is on its way in the first place, and I had nothing to do with how much my friend spent, nor can I know the way my friend declared the gift, nor can I know about the conditions imposed by the the courier my friend (or my friend's online shop) elected to use.

When the same friend still living abroad sends me a gift of bouquet, that is free, to me. His order definitely arose in abroad. He didn't order through a Swiss florist.

Short answer:

Low VAT rate.

Long answer:

If from the outside it is clear the package will not meet the threshold for VAT there is also no reason to inspect it and thus there are zero additional costs.

In all other situations extra costs have to be expected.

Living plants and cut flowers have a 2.5% VAT rate, so let's say shipping costs are 20,- VAT 7.7% = 1.54 Chf, that leaves 3.46 VAT for the flowers, at a rate of 2.5% he could send you flowers up to a value of 138.40 chf before you would reach the total limit of 5,- VAT.

So you see that it must be a rather huge bouquet before you would have to pay extra costs. Have your friend stick a bill of 300,- to the flowers and see what happens ;)

doropfiz 28.06.2019 21:40

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Thank you, EdwinNL.

Could you please write the same calculation for the hypothetical T-Shirts, and their VAT and threshold, to compare them to the flowers? Thanks.

EdwinNL 28.06.2019 21:48

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Originally Posted by doropfiz (Post 3079610)
Thank you, EdwinNL.

Could you please write the same calculation for the hypothetical T-Shirts, and their VAT and threshold, to compare them to the flowers? Thanks.

LOL, it is to warm to think so much..

T-shirts have a 7.7% VAT rate, so let's say shipping costs are 20,- VAT 7.7% = 1.54 Chf, that leaves 3.46 VAT for the shirts, at a rate of 7.7% he could send you shirts up to a value of 44.94 chf before you would reach the total limit of 5,- VAT.

Maybe instead of sending the shirts loose, he can remove the paper from the flowers and use the shirt as package material :D

doropfiz 28.06.2019 22:07

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Originally Posted by EdwinNL (Post 3079613)
Maybe instead of sending the shirts loose, he can remove the paper from the flowers and use the shirt as package material :D

That made me laugh! Yes, it is too warm for such calculations.

And for a moment there I completely mis-read and saw him removing - because of the heat, and an earlier post on another thread about people removing clothing - his own T-shirt…

EdwinNL 28.06.2019 22:21

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Originally Posted by doropfiz (Post 3079622)
That made me laugh! Yes, it is too warm for such calculations.

And for a moment there I completely mis-read and saw him removing - because of the heat, and an earlier post on another thread about people removing clothing - his own T-shirt…

Spontaneous thoughts of your friends removing their shirts.

As if it wasn't warm enough... :D

marton 28.06.2019 22:31

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Originally Posted by Alice K (Post 3079255)

People are asking about the value of the gift. The issue here is, I think, that I didn't know the value until I had signed for it.
It was above the MWSt value, but there was no way of me knowing that.


It just seems odd that I could send an empty box, claim it has a high value and the person receiving it has to pay the MWSt and any admin fee the delivery company deems fit to charge.

Where is the incentive to be honest in the cost of an item?

The incentive is to avoid being fined or worse for a fraudulent declaration!

22 yards 28.06.2019 23:24

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Originally Posted by doropfiz (Post 3079603)
When the same friend still living abroad sends me a gift of bouquet, that is free, to me. His order definitely arose in abroad. He didn't order through a Swiss florist.

He didn't order through a Swiss florist, but it's very likely that his order was fulfilled by a Swiss florist. If he used Interflora or some other similar international florist, he would have placed his order abroad and it would have been passed on to a member florist in the destination country—Switzerland, in this case. It would be very unusual for individual bouquets of flowers to be sent by post or courier; they're delicate, sensitive to variations in temperature and humidity, and many have low endurance thresholds. But if they were, Edwin is correct, they'd be subject to the low 2.5% rate of VAT.


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