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Carte de Légitimation/ French taxes

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I’m currently negotiating a job offer. I’ll be a frontalière living in France working in geneva on a carte de légitimation permit. I’m an EU citizen. Can anyone tell me how the French tax authorities will treat me. Will I have liabilities on the French side?
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Re: Carte de Légitimation/ French taxes

If you don't live in Switzerland I don't think you'd be getting a carte de legitimation. You'd need a carte de sejour from France.

Since you live in France and are taxed where you live I assume you'll pay French taxes. Whether any Swiss ones will happen too I don't know.
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Re: Carte de Légitimation/ French taxes

You will not have a CdL but a G permit: https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...g_eu_efta.html

You are subject to tax at source in Switzerland and as far as I can see not liable to pay tax in France. However part of the tax levied in CH is sent to France.

http://lenews.ch/2017/05/22/france-c...n-switzerland/

Be careful to note that you need health insurance (either Swiss or French) and that it has to be accepted by the Swiss authorities.

https://en.comparis.ch/krankenkassen...r/grenzgaenger
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Re: Carte de Légitimation/ French taxes

Not sure it would be a G for diplomatic staff. May be something added to a French carte de sejour.
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Re: Carte de Légitimation/ French taxes

Thanks for your replies but I’m really looking for replies from people in the position of working at an international org, resident in France who have experienced the French tax system.
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Re: Carte de Légitimation/ French taxes

You may be, but whether we have any members who are I don't know.
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Re: Carte de Légitimation/ French taxes

Did not see in OPs post that it was for a position in an international organisation.

Then I for sure don't know but would also assume liable to pay tax in France since it is not taxed in CH. But maybe there are special rules in place for UN and other international organisations also on the French side of the border.

I wonder if there is a requirement to reside in Switzerland when working on a CdL as it is in effect a residence permit.
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Did not see in OPs post that it was for a position in an international organisation.

Then I for sure don't know but would also assume liable to pay tax in France since it is not taxed in CH. But maybe there are special rules in place for UN and other international organisations also on the French side of the border.

I wonder if there is a requirement to reside in Switzerland when working on a CdL as it is in effect a residence permit.
Yes, there is as far as I know which is why I said he won't get a CdL. I think there's some agreement for CERN employees living in France to get one, but don't think it applies to any other NGOs.
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Re: Carte de Légitimation/ French taxes

If you are working for a UN body you will get a CdL. You won't pay tax on that income in France. You will have to pay tax on any other income/property just as if you were a regular resident in France.

I've no idea how it works for other international organizations.
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Thanks Gordon, much appreciated
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If you are UN staff member (i.e. not consultant or contractor) you will get CdL, although type will depend on your grade.

As for living in France, be aware of the following:

- Staff members and spouses with a European Union (EU) nationality can live and work in France. They only need to declare their presence at their nearest French Town Hall/Mairie.

- Spouses of staff members coming from the 10 new EU Member States
(except those from Malta and Cyprus) will need to request an authorization in order to work in France.

- Staff members from other countries outside the European Union have to request the French authorities (French Embassy or Consulate) for a “visa long séjour” (long-stay visa) before entering into France. Such staff members will only be able to obtain a one year “carte de séjour” renewable without access to the French labour market and it is only after 10 years that they will be granted a residence permit with the right to work in France.

- Spouses of staff members living in France will not have access via a ‘permis Ci” to the Swiss labour market, but will still get CdL with the same the same
privileges and immunities in Switzerland as those granted to the staff member. Spouses can be recruited by other international organizations located in Switzerland without any restrictions.

- Staff members at the grade of P-5 or above, residing in France enjoy diplomatic status in Switzerland but not in France. They may purchase/import tax-free goods in Switzerland but are obliged to declare them when taking them to France.
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Re: Carte de Légitimation/ French taxes

anybody able to advise on what will happen when I file my french tax return. Will the french tax people want a cut of my NGO pay?
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Re: Carte de Légitimation/ French taxes

OP, you have not clarified og you will work for the UN or something else? I think it has an impact on your tax situation:

I found this from CAGI in Geneva: http://www.cagi.ch/en/ngo/taxation/ngo-s-employees.php

You can contact CAGI or the Permanent Swiss Mission to the U.N. They will know it and they speak English.
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Re: Carte de Légitimation/ French taxes

Thanks everyone. It appears there is no simple answer. I spoke to a colleague-to-be who lives on the french side who gets randomly taxed for varying amounts or not at all each year.
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