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Phil_MCR 14.05.2018 22:14

Another fundsmith question
 
is there anywhere collected already information about distributions on an annual basis for the T class shares. i'm doing my tax returns...

fatmanfilms 14.05.2018 22:28

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 2946002)
is there anywhere collected already information about distributions on an annual basis for the T class shares. i'm doing my tax returns...

It's on the website or hopefully in the photo below if it will fit. I class cut off!
https://www.fundsmith.co.uk/fund-factsheet

Guest 14.05.2018 23:13

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It's on the website or hopefully in the photo below if it will fit. I class cut off!
https://www.fundsmith.co.uk/fund-factsheet

Tried finding the same for the EUR fund in the past , never did.

fatmanfilms 14.05.2018 23:31

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Tried finding the same for the EUR fund in the past , never did.
On the Euro fun page, the info for UK taxpayers is provided, dates, distributions etc are shown so you can get the info required for CH
https://www.fundsmith.co.uk/global/eu/documents

me.anon 15.05.2018 10:15

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If it is your Swiss tax return, you may find these here:

https://www.ictax.admin.ch/extern/de.../ratelist/2017

Incidentally, I get a statement from my bank here which contains all the preparation for the tax returns. I simply have to include it with my tax return and transcribe 2 or 3 figures from it.

In the past, that has been accepted by the tax authorities here without amendment. But, I've just has a mail from them regarding the 2016 tax return, amending the values for 2 accumulating funds with what looks like an assumed 2.5% distribution, which makes these look rather expensive now. They quoted valuations from the above web site.

Phil_MCR 15.05.2018 12:50

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Yet another question. Has anyone tried to claim the management fees? IIRC, Fundsmith charges about 1% management fees. Arguably, you could deduct 1%... (ditto for OCF)

EDIT: it seems not https://www.steueramt.zh.ch/internet...tB-Nr-30-1.pdf

EPMike 26.07.2018 11:33

Re: Another fundsmith question
 
adding facebook might have not been the best idea after all

Dr Mick 26.07.2018 15:43

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adding facebook might have not been the best idea after all

It's ~4% of the portfolio, so a 20% price drop has a < 1% performance impact on the fund.

EPMike 26.07.2018 15:56

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It's ~4% of the portfolio, so a 20% price drop has a < 1% performance impact on the fund.

4% is IMHO waaaay to much for a single speculative stock in such a fund.

Nevertheless, the fund performs well, but as said before this is the first pick of Terry that I truly questioned....

Dr Mick 26.07.2018 16:02

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4% is IMHO waaaay to much for a single speculative stock in such a fund.

Nevertheless, the fund performs well, but as said before this is the first pick of Terry that I truly questioned....

Well, FB has no debts and still grows at ~40% per year.
PM instead (also ~4% of the portfolio) has loads of debts and grows little. I am not sure which one is more speculative.

Dr Mick 26.07.2018 16:06

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Well, FB has no debts and still grows at ~40% per year.
PM instead (also ~4% of the portfolio) has loads of debts and grows little. I am not sure which one is more speculative.


BTW, PM has also dropped by ~30% in the last few months...

fatmanfilms 26.07.2018 17:31

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adding facebook might have not been the best idea after all

It was significantly lower at around $152 & he was not bothered at all, the profits are real & growing at a staggering rate. I don't think he will loose any sleep.

Phil_MCR 26.07.2018 21:57

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/share...182600918.html :rofl:

interestingly, FB drop was apparently the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/26/face...hoo&yptr=yahoo

fatmanfilms 27.07.2018 17:13

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/share...182600918.html :rofl:

interestingly, FB drop was apparently the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/26/face...hoo&yptr=yahoo

Facebook generated $13.2bn in revenue in one quarter a 42% increase over the same quarter a year before. Facebook also reported a 31% jump in profits over the same quarter last year. The shares fell 20%, remember in the short term the market is a voting machine in the long term its a weighing machine. If it falls further this could be a once in 5 year opportunity as Apple was when it fell out of favour.

Phil_MCR 27.07.2018 17:35

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i'm torn on FB, in the long term there's a lot going for it (they have barely started to monetize messenger or IG) but this drop was the drop I was waiting for almost a year ago. i suspect another drop next Q if the slowdown in users/revenue is shown to be real and not just a blip.

ivank 28.07.2018 14:57

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Facebook generated $13.2bn in revenue in one quarter – a 42% increase over the same quarter a year before. Facebook also reported a 31% jump in profits over the same quarter last year.

This was expected and not why they fell

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The shares fell 20%, remember in the short term the market is a voting machine in the long term its a weighing machine.
The long term concerns from their guidance is exactly why they fell

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If it falls further this could be a once in 5 year opportunity as Apple was when it fell out of favour.
Or the aggressive overmonetization and stagnation in user growth could turn them into another myspace which never recovered when it fell out of favor

fatmanfilms 28.07.2018 19:30

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Fundsmith has beaten the S&P 500 index by a huge factor on 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, 3 years & 5 Years. I won't be loosing any sleep.

EPMike 04.09.2018 16:48

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FYI: Terry Smith launches global smaller companies trust

Could be a good alternative (or complement) to EWI

Enohzee 04.09.2018 17:42

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Originally Posted by EPMike (Post 2988230)
FYI: Terry Smith launches global smaller companies trust

Could be a good alternative (or complement) to EWI

Thanks for sharing.

I'm glad it's a trust rather than a fund. Much more flexible and potentially cheaper (0.9% total by the look of it). Will keep my eye on it. Bear in mind the premium/discount to NAV factor when looking at closed-end trusts.

There's also Finsbury Growth & Income Trust (FGT.L) which has a similar strategy to Fundsmith Equity and in trust format.

EPMike 23.11.2018 17:35

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so did anyone here invest in Smithson? What do you think of its current NAV premium?


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