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Working at an international organisation in Geneva

Hello, I have a C Permit and have been offered a one month contract at an international organization in Geneva. Does anyone know if my salary for this month will be subject to income tax or AHV / AVS charges? Thanks.
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Old 15.05.2018, 18:30
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Hello, I have a C Permit and have been offered a one month contract at an international organization in Geneva. Does anyone know if my salary for this month will be subject to income tax or AHV / AVS charges? Thanks.
“International organization” probably doesn’t mean what you think it does. You’ll need to be a little more specific.

In any case, just ask the folks offering you the job.
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Re: Working at an international organisation in Geneva

Hi,

if you are joining any UN related organizations their salaries are normally not taxed in Switzerland.. but good suggestion to check with your employer.. https://www.eda.admin.ch/missions/mi...-property.html
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Old 15.05.2018, 18:57
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Re: Working at an international organisation in Geneva

Thanks but this link applies to real estate. I haven't seen the contract yet and am just wondering if anyone knows more about this issue. I will of course ask the organisation when I get the contract.
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Old 15.05.2018, 19:05
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Re: Working at an international organisation in Geneva

It is a sub-organisation of the United Nations
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Old 15.05.2018, 19:08
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Re: Working at an international organisation in Geneva

As Corbets said, which "international organisation"? The Red Cross? The UN? Nestlé? FIFA? The Freemasons? The Trump Organisation?

Is it a registered charity? An NGO? Part of the United Nations apparatus?......
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Old 15.05.2018, 19:09
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It is a sub-organisation of the United Nations
OK, posts crossed in the ether.

Probably tax-free, but... best to ask the employer!
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Old 15.05.2018, 19:26
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Re: Working at an international organisation in Geneva

Check your permit status too. People holding Swiss permits have to give them up for cartes de legitimation for permanent roles. No idea how that might be affected for just a month's contract.
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Check your permit status too. People holding Swiss permits have to give them up for cartes de legitimation for permanent roles. No idea how that might be affected for just a month's contract.
I have a C permit. I am not giving that up for a one month contract!
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OK, posts crossed in the ether.

Probably tax-free, but... best to ask the employer!
Income tax, yes, but what about AHV contributions? I can ask but I think the usually just say that it is each persons responsibility to be informed of their tax obligations.
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Re: Working at an international organisation in Geneva

You could also ask the AHV office. They will know whether this particular employer has a status which excludes them (and thereby their employees) from participating in the AHV coverage.

AHV involves the IV, too. Therefore, if that contract would not involve AHV contributions, then be very, very sure to find out about how you are covered for the event of disability. And accidents, of course.
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Hello, I have a C Permit and have been offered a one month contract at an international organization in Geneva. Does anyone know if my salary for this month will be subject to income tax or AHV / AVS charges? Thanks.
Yes, as you have a c-permit. Also,, no income tax will be withheld as you have a c-permit.
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Yes, as you have a c-permit. Also,, no income tax will be withheld as you have a c-permit.
ok, thanks but AHV will be withheld?
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Re: Working at an international organisation in Geneva

Being tax/AVS free really only benefits the employer, not the employee. Particularly those that wish to stay permanently.

They may not withhold contributions, but that doesn’t mean you are exempt from paying taxes or AVS contributions.

The best people to ask is the HR department preparing your contract. They will know. If they say their payment is exempt from Swiss taxes, get them to put that in writing. You need that when you do your tax return.
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Re: Working at an international organisation in Geneva

… and if they say that they will not make AHV contributions, ask at the AHV office how you can do so, so that you don't have gaps.

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Re: Working at an international organisation in Geneva

I would really doubt it.

There are basically staff positions where you enjoy privileges and immunities and are employed not at all connected to Ch, and there are contractor jobs where you get a fixed salary or daily rate. For a one month contract I would guess the latter. They should inform you but I think it is up to you to pay any taxes or social costs depending on your residency. You could for example work in gva for a month but still have residence basically anywhere in world.
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Re: Working at an international organisation in Geneva

I would imagine that it depends on a large variety of factors. Firstly the type of organization, even within the UN system they don't all have the same status. Secondly I believe that many local staff aren't employed under the UN staff rules but under local (Swiss) employment rules. I wouldn't be surprised if that weren't the case for a temporary contract.
You're going to have to ask HR which conditions apply to you.
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Re: Working at an international organisation in Geneva

I wouldn't trust the NGO in the case of a one-month contract. Yes get their statement but do have it confirmed by the tax office.

The C permit can be put on hold, IIRC for up to two years plus two years extension, of course conditions apply.

Since you're considering a one-month job you may be jobless at the moment. In such a case you want to check with RAV (unemployment insurance) what effect that one-month contract, and particularly putting your C on hold, would have. This is just a guess, but technically it may mean you're not a resident in some respects for that time, simply because you would probably put the C on hold. Personally, I'd want a legally binding statement by RAV, not just an ordinary letter by some unimportant clerk as making a error could cost you lots and lots.
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Re: Working at an international organisation in Geneva

I have a friend contracting for BIS here, and contractors don't get the same tax free status as direct employees.

It may be different for your organisation (and your contract), but it makes sense if you are not directly employed.
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Re: Working at an international organisation in Geneva

I am a contractor in an international organisation, but not in CH... I guess the principles are the same:
- in order to be tax free and get all the other goodies to employees need to get the right type of residence permit. Its something like a diet version of a diplomat status.
- those employees are mostly on fixed term contracts of 2-6 years. A few a permanent.
- Any short term IT contractors, or simply put 80% of the IT department are not getting any of that. We get a daily rate and have to use either an umbrella company or our own company. Paying tax, retirement fund and social insurances is all my own problem and all comes from that same day rate.
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