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LakeMan 04.08.2018 12:55

Car road/street tax
 
Is this table what one should apply when registering a car in Geneva canton?


Seems excessive!


for eg 250 KW with 204 CO2 emission would cost 2289 CHF to tax per year? Is this real?


Or is this table for something else..my french isnt up to par yet.


Thanks all

versus 04.08.2018 12:59

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeMan (Post 2975742)
Is this table what one should apply when registering a car in Geneva canton?

Seems excessive!

for eg 250 KW with 204 CO2 emission would cost 2289 CHF to tax per year? Is this real?

Or is this table for something else..my french isnt up to par yet.

Thanks all

Which table?

LakeMan 04.08.2018 13:15

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Aplogies, too eager to post.


http://ge.ch/vehicules/baremes-dimpots

aSwissInTheUS 04.08.2018 13:38

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeMan (Post 2975747)
Aplogies, too eager to post.


http://ge.ch/vehicules/baremes-dimpots

This indeed looks like the canton Geneva vehicle tax table. And yes it is per year.

Note: Each canton has it own table based on weight, power, displacement, and/or CO2-emission.

Stendec 04.08.2018 13:45

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeMan (Post 2975742)
Is this table what one should apply when registering a car in Geneva canton?

Seems excessive!

for eg 250 KW with 204 CO2 emission would cost 2289 CHF to tax per year? Is this real?

Or is this table for something else..my french isnt up to par yet.

Thanks all

Yes, exceeding 200g/km CO2 implies the crippling 50% supplement in Geneva. In Canton Vaud (e.g. in Coppet, which is just 15km from the centre of Geneva) the tax for the same vehicle would be less than half that amount. (Assuming that it weighs less than 2500kg...)

st2lemans 04.08.2018 14:32

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeMan (Post 2975742)
Is this table what one should apply when registering a car in Geneva canton?


Seems excessive!


for eg 250 KW with 204 CO2 emission would cost 2289 CHF to tax per year? Is this real?


Or is this table for something else..my french isnt up to par yet.


Thanks all

Only if it's newer than 2010 for the 50% suplement:

"Pour les voitures dont la 1ère mise en circulation > 01.01.2010

50 % bonus si CO2 <= 120 g/km
50 % malus si CO2 > 200 g/km "

Of course, you don't need to keep it on the road all year, and tax and insurance are pro-rated.

Tom

k_and_e 04.08.2018 14:47

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeMan (Post 2975742)
Is this table what one should apply when registering a car in Geneva canton?


Seems excessive!


for eg 250 KW with 204 CO2 emission would cost 2289 CHF to tax per year? Is this real?


Or is this table for something else..my french isnt up to par yet.


Thanks all

according to the table, yes, this could be real.

see it on the positive side: if 2300 CHF taxes are a problem for you, you shouldn't buy such a fast car.

bowlie 04.08.2018 16:23

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 2975789)
according to the table, yes, this could be real.

see it on the positive side: if 2300 CHF taxes are a problem for you, you shouldn't buy such a fast car.

A fast car in Geneva is a contradiction in terms. And even if you could open it up, the speed cameras will get you.

LakeMan 06.08.2018 16:32

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 2975789)
according to the table, yes, this could be real.

see it on the positive side: if 2300 CHF taxes are a problem for you, you shouldn't buy such a fast car.


the opposite, in fact - people who have money got there by knowing how to value it. and a 2300 one off expense just to own it is the definition of low value.


i guess you learnt something today.

baboon 06.08.2018 16:44

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeMan (Post 2976398)
the opposite, in fact - people who have money got there by knowing how to value it. and a 2300 one off expense just to own it is the definition of low value.


i guess you learnt something today.

I think you'll find this is an annual charge, not a one-off.

gbn 06.08.2018 17:05

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeMan (Post 2976398)
the opposite, in fact - people who have money got there by knowing how to value it. and a 2300 one off expense just to own it is the definition of low value.


i guess you learnt something today.

You're asking for free advice on a public internet forum.

And people who have and/or value money don't live in the Socialist Republic of Geneva...

k_and_e 06.08.2018 19:05

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeMan (Post 2976398)
the opposite, in fact - people who have money got there by knowing how to value it. and a 2300 one off expense just to own it is the definition of low value.


i guess you learnt something today.

you could say the same for the VAT on a car. does that also make it low value as the amount is way higher.

LakeMan 06.08.2018 19:15

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by baboon (Post 2976408)
I think you'll find this is an annual charge, not a one-off.


yes correct..i guess i meant one off since i normally don't keep car more than 1 year.

LakeMan 06.08.2018 19:17

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gbn (Post 2976422)
You're asking for free advice on a public internet forum.

And people who have and/or value money don't live in the Socialist Republic of Geneva...


where do they live :)? Schweiz? it gets a bit boring..Zurich is better i think



i just like how that one poster above found it necessary to tell me that if 2400 chf seems like a lot for car tax that maybe i should not buy the car :)
haha ...vintage 2007 internet stuff...priceless.

gbn 07.08.2018 10:09

Re: Car road/street tax
 
You started out with "excessive" and "is this real"

Then implying it's good value for money to own the car for a year.

I look forward to many more contradictions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeMan (Post 2976456)
where do they live :)? Schweiz? it gets a bit boring..Zurich is better i think



i just like how that one poster above found it necessary to tell me that if 2400 chf seems like a lot for car tax that maybe i should not buy the car :)
haha ...vintage 2007 internet stuff...priceless.



Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeMan (Post 2976398)
the opposite, in fact - people who have money got there by knowing how to value it. and a 2300 one off expense just to own it is the definition of low value.

....



Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeMan (Post 2975742)
Is this table what one should apply when registering a car in Geneva canton?


Seems excessive!


for eg 250 KW with 204 CO2 emission would cost 2289 CHF to tax per year? Is this real?
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HappyCreature 09.11.2020 11:21

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Dear all,
I am looking for exactly this information for ZH canton. does anyone know if there is such a table available online giving details about the amount of road tax depending on the vehicle (car) type?


also a general question, does an electric car has less road tax than a normal car because it is supposedly less harmful to the environment? obviously there are so many versions of every car these days and I would like to know if buying an electric car means you pay less road tax.


cheers
happycreature

roegner 09.11.2020 11:40

Re: Car road/street tax
 
https://www.zh.ch/de/mobilitaet/verk...enrechner.html


Here you are

AbFab 09.11.2020 15:53

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Electric vehicles in Canton Zurich pay nothing...

Axa 09.11.2020 16:20

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AbFab (Post 3237282)
Electric vehicles in Canton Zurich pay nothing...

For now...the market share of vehicles with alternative propulsion in CH (hybrids, pulg-in hybrids, natural gas, and pure battery EV) is 25% this year. Pure battery electric vehicles market share is 6.9% from so far from Jan to Oct 2020, up from 4.2% on 2019 and 1.7% on 2018.

https://infogram.com/marktanteile-al...h7k23gnzg0g4xr

So, we could assume the collection of this tax has at least gone down 7% at federal level. Don't know if specific cantons have seen greater tax collection decrease due to higher EV market share. Also, EVs don't pay the 73 rappen fuel tax for road infrastructure. Since the fraction of EVs keeps increasing, at some point EVs will have to pay tax too on one way or another.

I bet 2 beers that when EVs reach 20% of new passenger car sales, some tax changes will come. 2022 or 2023? Not tomorrow but it starts to impact the people buying an EV today.

aSwissInTheUS 10.11.2020 13:14

Re: Car road/street tax
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3237298)
Don't know if specific cantons have seen greater tax collection decrease due to higher EV market share.

Canton SZ for sure has not. While canton ZH taxes based on displacement which results in a zero tax for electric cars, canton SZ uses the power as scaling factor. Guess what that means for a Tesla S with 615 kW.


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