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Old 03.12.2018, 18:36
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Purchasing from Amazon.com

I just received this from Amazon.com:

"As a result of changes to the Swiss value added tax law, Amazon’s international shopping options will change as of 2019. While we regret any inconvenience this may cause, from 26 December 2018 customers shopping on amazon.com and other non-EU Amazon websites will not be able to ship non-digital orders to any shipping address in the Swiss Customs Union. We encourage all our customers shipping orders to a delivery address in the Swiss Customs Union to shop on Amazon websites in the EU (Amazon.de, Amazon.fr, Amazon.it, Amazon.es, Amazon.co.uk) to access millions of products across multiple categories, including books, fashion, toys, and electronics.

With the change of the international shopping options, we regrettably will not be able to transfer unused gift card balances to Amazon websites in the EU. Therefore, all customers who have outstanding funds on their non EU Amazon accounts are kindly requested to utilize them before 26 December 2018. After that date, you will still be able to buy digital products such as apps and Kindle books with your outstanding balance.

Thank you for choosing to shop with Amazon."

Is this purely a problem for Swiss destinations? As I have $180 of gift certificates in my Amazon.com account, and don't wish to use them to buy digital products, I'm wondering whether I can still use them to purchase items to be sent to friends in the UK.
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Old 03.12.2018, 18:58
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I just received this from Amazon.com:

"As a result of changes to the Swiss value added tax law, Amazon’s international shopping options will change as of 2019. While we regret any inconvenience this may cause, from 26 December 2018 customers shopping on amazon.com and other non-EU Amazon websites will not be able to ship non-digital orders to any shipping address in the Swiss Customs Union. We encourage all our customers shipping orders to a delivery address in the Swiss Customs Union to shop on Amazon websites in the EU (Amazon.de, Amazon.fr, Amazon.it, Amazon.es, Amazon.co.uk) to access millions of products across multiple categories, including books, fashion, toys, and electronics.

With the change of the international shopping options, we regrettably will not be able to transfer unused gift card balances to Amazon websites in the EU. Therefore, all customers who have outstanding funds on their non EU Amazon accounts are kindly requested to utilize them before 26 December 2018. After that date, you will still be able to buy digital products such as apps and Kindle books with your outstanding balance.

Thank you for choosing to shop with Amazon."

Is this purely a problem for Swiss destinations? As I have $180 of gift certificates in my Amazon.com account, and don't wish to use them to buy digital products, I'm wondering whether I can still use them to purchase items to be sent to friends in the UK.
Yes, probably. As the Swiss MWST law changes for mail order business from abroad by 1.1.2019.
You have to scroll all the way to the end of this to get this info. In German.

If you are an Aliexpress customer as well, you might get such a message from them as well? Don't they basically specialize in sending goods worth less than Fr. 5.00 for VAT? (Don't know, I don't buy from them).

PS: This deserves closer looking at. It seems ridiculous to me! Unless I got it wrong just looking at it quickly this shields Swiss residents from receiving/buying stuff from abroad as it puts the responsibility of paying VAT on the supplier in a complicated manner, having to register here or have a representative here to do so - WHAT company will do that?! For a tiny market like Switzerland?
Please someone tell me I'm wrong in this.
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Old 03.12.2018, 19:19
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Is this purely a problem for Swiss destinations? As I have $180 of gift certificates in my Amazon.com account, and don't wish to use them to buy digital products, I'm wondering whether I can still use them to purchase items to be sent to friends in the UK.
It is probably best to contact them to find out. It looks like a business decision on Amazon’s part to only set up their EU sites to produce Swiss VAT.

The other is is BREXIT, no idea if it will get easier or more difficult to ship US - UK after that.
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If you are an Aliexpress customer as well, you might get such a message from them as well? Don't they basically specialize in sending goods worth less than Fr. 5.00 for VAT? (Don't know, I don't buy from them).
AliExpress and similar organizations are basically a version of EBay for businesses. It handles advertising and payment processing, but you are dealing with multiple business units none of which have an EU/EEA/CH presence and that is key to these rules.
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Re: Purchasing from Amazon.com

I've now received this reply from Amazon.com:

"Hello,
I understand your concern that you would like to ship items form Amazon.com to your UK address using the gift card balance.
You can place order using the gift card balance and also you can ship it to your UK address even after 26th December.
Hereby, I confirm that you can place any order using the gift card balance and ship it to your UK address.
If you still have any issues please contact us back so that we will helping you further.
On a personal level, I appreciate your patience, cooperation and understanding in this matter.
We look forward to hearing from you again soon.
We'd appreciate your feedback. Please use the buttons below to vote about your experience today.
Best regards,
Srinivas R"

Out of interest, what is the "Swiss Customs Union" referred to by Amazon? With whom is Switzerland united?

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Old 03.12.2018, 21:15
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Yes, probably. As the Swiss MWST law changes for mail order business from abroad by 1.1.2019.
You have to scroll all the way to the end of this to get this info. In German.

If you are an Aliexpress customer as well, you might get such a message from them as well? Don't they basically specialize in sending goods worth less than Fr. 5.00 for VAT? (Don't know, I don't buy from them).

PS: This deserves closer looking at. It seems ridiculous to me! Unless I got it wrong just looking at it quickly this shields Swiss residents from receiving/buying stuff from abroad as it puts the responsibility of paying VAT on the supplier in a complicated manner, having to register here or have a representative here to do so - WHAT company will do that?! For a tiny market like Switzerland?
Please someone tell me I'm wrong in this.
It is classic Swiss protectionism, they were hoping nobody would sign up to this daft scheme It seems amazon.de have signed up so at least one very major supplier is able to service the Swiss market.
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Re: Purchasing from Amazon.com

Yep I got the same message.... I wish Amazon would set up a Swiss site but for now; with Brexit in mind too, I guess it's .de, .fr and .it only.


There was talk last Spring about an Amazon.ch and I am sure they were in discussion with Swiss Post but I guess that got delayed/cancelled :-(
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It is classic Swiss protectionism, they were hoping nobody would sign up to this daft scheme It seems amazon.de have signed up so at least one very major supplier is able to service the Swiss market.
If you are living around Basel one option is to have a delivery address in Germany near Basel (Weil am Rhein, Lörrach) where you can deliver goods that Amazon.de won't deliver to Switzerland. There are different provider (e.g. LAS-BURG, MyPaketshop)
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Old 03.12.2018, 23:09
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Um, may affect bookdepository as well since they're owned by Amazon.
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Um, may affect bookdepository as well since they're owned by Amazon.
Likely many US companies will have a problem with complying with this Swiss regulation. They probably do not have existing systems which can easily be modified whereas EU companies have to, see here.
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Likely most US companies don't even know about the regulation.

Add to this the possibility you may need a phone to do online shopping and life is getting more and more difficult.

"As millions start their Christmas shopping online, there's a warning that consumers may need to have a mobile phone, and a decent signal, to make sure their transactions go through.

UK banks are starting to introduce a new layer of security, involving passwords sent to your mobile phone.

That could be a problem for hundreds of thousands of householders without a mobile, or no proper signal.

Now banks are being urged to find other ways to check a customer's identity.

The new rules are part of an EU directive - already adopted by the UK - which is due to come into force by September 2019.

But critics say many people are likely to be inconvenienced.

"Banks are not yet great at looking after people at the margins - because they're disabled, or because they live with no mobile coverage," said James Daley, the managing director of Fairer Finance.

"These systems are designed for the 95% - while the remaining 5% are hung out to dry."

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46...eporting-story

Mobile phoneitis strikes again.
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Um, may affect bookdepository as well since they're owned by Amazon.
Book depository is UK based so shouldn’t be affected for the moment.
It is only the US amazon site that is affected, you can still use the UK, fr, de or it sites for delivery to Switzerland,
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Out of interest, what is the "Swiss Customs Union" referred to by Amazon? With whom is Switzerland united?
Liechtenstein?

Can't think of anyone else.
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That is a strange way to name it.

Switzerland has a new law that foreign companies who ship to Switzerland over a certain annual value have to register for Swiss VAT and charge the customer VAT.

A lot of foreign businesses use B2B web sites for Swiss companies to order from and if they are caught up in this legislation it will be a real pain for them to comply.
Certainly we order some goods like this for our business and so far I did not hear from these suppliers. Maybe they are floating along in blissful ignorance?

Would not matter for me as we already handle VAT on Swiss supplier invoices.
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