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Re: Taxes on leaving Switzerland

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Which is the start date for that 3-month countdown?
The date of departure.
If he leaves Switzerland e.g. end of Oct., he needs to arrange with ORP to get a so-called U2 form that he needs to bring to the unemployment office in his new country of residence at the beginning of Nov.
(https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm)

Then he'll get the money for Nov, Dec and Jan. (Unless he'll find a job in the new country in the meantime.)
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Old 07.10.2019, 15:15
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Though the entitlement itself can be earned abroad, the paying agency for unemployment benefits is tied to residency. It's why crossborder employees are paid by the foreign RAV-equivalent rather than the Swiss, and according to foreign payout rules rather than Swiss rules and amounts.

So, if DR deregisters, he may be seen as no longer entitled to payments by Swiss RAV/Arbeitslosenkasse. That may mean nobody's responsible until he's registered abroad, or lower payouts as per foreign regulations, or it may have no effect at all. But a mistake is almost certain to cost some four-digit amount.

DR, enquire with RAV before you deregister.
That may sound good in theory, but it's not how it works in practice. It's called EXPORT of benefits, probably for a reason.
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Old 07.10.2019, 15:41
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The date of departure.
If he leaves Switzerland e.g. end of Oct., he needs to arrange with ORP to get a so-called U2 form that he needs to bring to the unemployment office in his new country of residence at the beginning of Nov.
(https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm)

Then he'll get the money for Nov, Dec and Jan. (Unless he'll find a job in the new country in the meantime.)
That's not the point. Not at all.

Deregistering is subject to Cantonal law thus details may vary, and probably do.
You may be able to deregister weeks in advance in Canton A, but that means zilch for Canton B.
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Re: Taxes on leaving Switzerland

Thanks a lot for all your great feedback. My situation is as follows:



I am unemployed and receiving unemployment money from RAV.


I have been offered a job in Germany to start on 4 November.


I now live in Zug and want to deregister and pay my taxes before leaving at the end of this month. I have enough cash to cover the taxes owed.


I would like to do all this a few days before I leave so the deregistration certifcate can be given to me in advance but with 2 November as the actual day of derigistration as this is the day on which I will leave.
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Old 21.10.2019, 21:15
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Re: Taxes on leaving Switzerland

I went today to deregister and was told that I must sign a "Vollmacht" (power of attorney) before I can deregister. If no one I know can do this, I can ask for a "Treuhand" to do it. Does anyone know any "Treuhand" who can deal with this issue and how much it would cost? Otherwise I was told that I cannot deregister from my Gemeinde.
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Old 22.10.2019, 00:15
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Otherwise I was told that I cannot deregister from my Gemeinde.
Why not? And, not now (which is about two weeks in advance) or not at all?
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Old 22.10.2019, 08:50
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Why not? And, not now (which is about two weeks in advance) or not at all?

According to the person at Gemeinde Steinhausen, without a Vollmacht I cannot at all deregister. have found the site steuerzentrum.ch on the internet and will contact them today to see if they can help (at a reasonable price)
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Old 22.10.2019, 09:04
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Re: Taxes on leaving Switzerland

I used Denise at Colfina, they even have a website in English

http://colfina.ch/english/
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Old 22.10.2019, 09:31
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I used Denise at Colfina, they even have a website in English

http://colfina.ch/english/

I just contacted them but they are not accepting any new customers
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Old 22.10.2019, 09:37
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Re: Taxes on leaving Switzerland

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Bollocks. What would the POA be on, and why would you give that to anybody?

Deregistration is simply a matter of declaration, you inform the commune that you're leaving, that's all. Even if that's impossible in advance (dunno, sounds a bit implausible though) there's no refusing such when you actually do.

Further, the commune can not refuse to issue a confirmation of deregistration as that would violate the "Willkürverbot" (prohibition of arbitrariness?), and it could infringe on your right of free movement. The federal court has ruled on that in 2001 already.

They must be fully aware that what they're doing is beyond their powers. It won't hurt to print that out and have it with you next time you're there, and perhaps speak to the clerk's supervisor instead.
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Re: Taxes on leaving Switzerland

Thanks a lot for this information. I will do that. I think that the Gemeinde is being very unreasonable. I am quite prepared to pay my taxes and have the money ready. I will point this out to them and see how they react.
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Thanks a lot for this information. I will do that. I think that the Gemeinde is being very unreasonable. I am quite prepared to pay my taxes and have the money ready. I will point this out to them and see how they react.
Zurich was the same, POA I signed is shown below. They charged 160 CHF
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Re: Taxes on leaving Switzerland

Steuerzentrum.ch has quoted me 175 CHF
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Steuerzentrum.ch has quoted me 175 CHF
Sounds fine, my quote was from 2014
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Re: Taxes on leaving Switzerland

how long do you have to live in Zug to pay lower taxes?
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Thanks a lot for this information. I will do that. I think that the Gemeinde is being very unreasonable. I am quite prepared to pay my taxes and have the money ready. I will point this out to them and see how they react.
They are being unreasonable and as linked before they can't deny you your de-registration or your de-registration certificate due to unpaid or potentially unpaid taxes.

When I was leaving they tried that. I said I'm happy to do my taxes before I leave but that's a separate issue from my de-registration. They gave me my certificate and said the tax office are calculating what tax I owe that day and I will need to pay it immediately. I said that's fine. I got a phone call later that day saying that they owed me in the region of 250CHF of taxes...of course I had to wait 6 months for that refund though.
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Re: Taxes on leaving Switzerland

Yes, they're trying it on. Steinhausen's Webpage says (last paragraph)
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Foreign nationals must bring their residence permit to the residents' registration office and complete the form "Abmeldenung/Wegzug ins Ausland". This can be ordered or downloaded from the Office for Migration of the Canton of Zug [see the link below]. You must deposit a Swiss contact address with the residents' registration office and complete a power of attorney form for the tax authorities. We recommend that you notify us of your departure as soon as possible.
The Canton however is asking for an adress abroad, neither a Swiss address nor a POA. The Canton's form can be found here, link #3 for PDF and #4 for a word doc, other than that the two have are the same.

Of course the Canton overrules the commune.
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Yes, they're trying it on. Steinhausen's Webpage says (last paragraph)


The Canton however is asking for an adress abroad, neither a Swiss address nor a POA. The Canton's form can be found here, link #3 for PDF and #4 for a word doc, other than that the two have are the same.

Of course the Canton overrules the commune.

Gemeinde Steinhausen say that I need both the POA ("Vollmacht") and the form from Canton Zug.
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Old 22.10.2019, 21:45
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Zurich was the same, POA I signed is shown below. They charged 160 CHF

Did you have an option of getting a friend to sign the POA rather than a Treuhand?
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Gemeinde Steinhausen say that I need both the POA ("Vollmacht") and the form from Canton Zug.
Of course, that's their claim and counter clerk is unlikely to deviate from that.

The question is how you want ot play it. And, presumably, how important it is for you to get the Abmeldebestätigung soon. If you decide to fight their abuse of power it may take quite some time.
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