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Dack Rambo 02.10.2019 18:18

Taxes on leaving Switzerland
 
I plan on leaving Switzerland at the end of this month. How will I go about paying tax on this years income? I live in Zug.

roegner 02.10.2019 18:19

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Go to the tax office, you will have to file your taxes and they will be pretty quick in coming back to you.

Dack Rambo 02.10.2019 18:48

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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 3105917)
Go to the tax office, you will have to file your taxes and they will be pretty quick in coming back to you.


Yes, but normally I need to supply various documents which I receive the following year.

3Wishes 02.10.2019 18:57

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Can't help with taxes but sorry to hear you're leaving. Hope you're off to amazing adventures. :) Keep in touch with EF.

roegner 02.10.2019 18:57

Re: Taxes on leaving Switzerland
 
Monthly salary slips, any bank statements you can get online.

porsch1909 02.10.2019 20:08

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I had this problem when leaving. They still legally have to de-register you even if you haven't filed your taxes. They have to provide your certificate of de-registration too.

Don't take no for an answer.

When I Was leaving they insisted on my taxes being done and I'd have to pay it. They did it pronto and they ended up owing me. I didn't get the refund for 6 months though :rolleyes:

Urs Max 02.10.2019 21:22

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Originally Posted by Dack Rambo (Post 3105921)
Yes, but normally I need to supply various documents which I receive the following year.

Contact HR.

Certainly they can produce a Lohnausweis once your contract has ended.

If you're on a predefined monthly salary that should be doable in advance as well. After all HR know today already what it will be in 29 days.

henrikh 03.10.2019 12:41

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No disaster will happen, if you simply just leave, de-register, cancel all of your contracts, without specifically informing the tax authority.
They'll certainly find you with any outstanding tax bill (or overpayment, should that be the case) on the address that you provided when de-registering.
Actually that happened to me.

First they sent me two payment slips to be paid (approx. 200 CHF in total, as far as I remember), then something like a year later, they've sent me another letter, asking for my IBAN number, as I have some overpayment and they need to re-pay something like 70 CHF...

I was wondering why was it so difficult to calculate my balance only once, but correctly...

Dack Rambo 03.10.2019 19:47

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Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 3105973)
Contact HR.

Certainly they can produce a Lohnausweis once your contract has ended.

If you're on a predefined monthly salary that should be doable in advance as well. After all HR know today already what it will be in 29 days.


Well I am actually unemployed at the moment. I will not be able to get the necessary documentation on time but the important thing is that I can deregister on time and pay the taxes later

fatmanfilms 03.10.2019 20:47

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Originally Posted by Dack Rambo (Post 3106263)
Well I am actually unemployed at the moment. I will not be able to get the necessary documentation on time but the important thing is that I can deregister on time and pay the taxes later

They will want an amount in cash pro rata to last year, unless something is very different. I had to overpay 1500, which was refunded in 2 months after I did the part year tax return

Cider Woman 04.10.2019 00:04

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When I de-registered, I was on an L Permit and the tax process posed no problem. I simply completed a return and got a (very small) refund in the normal process/times.

The only thing which stung was that I was expecting a large refund, per my accountant's incorrect advice. Even though I was resident in SO for three months, my effective three-month tax rate was applied to the whole year. This differs from the UK where the total annual income determines your tax rates. The expected refund, unsurprisingly, didn't materialise and I no longer use the accountant.

Good luck with your future plans. I hope you don't miss Switzerland so much.

Dack Rambo 06.10.2019 20:30

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Can deregistering be done a week or two in advance or do I have to go there on my last day in Switzerland? Do I have to pay a sum to the tax office before leaving Switzerland?

roegner 06.10.2019 21:15

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Originally Posted by Dack Rambo (Post 3106883)
Can deregistering be done a week or two in advance or do I have to go there on my last day in Switzerland?

You can deregister earlier

fatmanfilms 06.10.2019 21:37

Re: Taxes on leaving Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by Dack Rambo (Post 3106883)
Can deregistering be done a week or two in advance or do I have to go there on my last day in Switzerland? Do I have to pay a sum to the tax office before leaving Switzerland?

You can go a month before, maybe even earlier. You probably need to pay in cash before they will issue the leaving certificate.

Urs Max 06.10.2019 21:49

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3106897)
You can go a month before, maybe even earlier. You probably need to pay in cash before they will issue the leaving certificate.

You want to get confirmation from RAV/chomage before you take any action. Once deregistered you may no longer be entitled to payments.

fatmanfilms 06.10.2019 21:51

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Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 3106901)
You want to get confirmation from RAV/chomage before you take any action. Once deregistered you may no longer be entitled to payments.

If you have exported benefits it's irrelevant.

Urs Max 06.10.2019 23:42

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3106902)
If you have exported benefits it's irrelevant.

Though the entitlement itself can be earned abroad, the paying agency for unemployment benefits is tied to residency. It's why crossborder employees are paid by the foreign RAV-equivalent rather than the Swiss, and according to foreign payout rules rather than Swiss rules and amounts.

So, if DR deregisters, he may be seen as no longer entitled to payments by Swiss RAV/Arbeitslosenkasse. That may mean nobody's responsible until he's registered abroad, or lower payouts as per foreign regulations, or it may have no effect at all. But a mistake is almost certain to cost some four-digit amount.

DR, enquire with RAV before you deregister.

henrikh 07.10.2019 00:26

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Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 3106931)
So, if DR deregisters, he may be seen as no longer entitled to payments by Swiss RAV/Arbeitslosenkasse.

He can export his unemployment benefits to any EU country.
This means he can deregister in CH and leave the country. He will keep receiving the Swiss money (unemployment benefits) to his Swiss bank account for three months.

Urs Max 07.10.2019 09:45

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Originally Posted by henrikh (Post 3106942)
He will keep receiving the Swiss money (unemployment benefits) to his Swiss bank account for three months.

Which is the start date for that 3-month countdown?

porsch1909 07.10.2019 10:40

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3106897)
You can go a month before, maybe even earlier. You probably need to pay in cash before they will issue the leaving certificate.

That's not the case

http://relevancy.bger.ch/php/clir/ht...F127-I-97%3Ade

https://www.englishforum.ch/2313290-post8.html


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