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Re: Driving a Swiss Registered Car in the EU by a Dual CH and EU Residence Permits Ho

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Didnīt know that you got a permit based on marriage only? Why did you accept it.
You donít, it had to be applied for with supporting documents, which probably means there will be further issues if he gets convinced and it is registered on the Schengen system.
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I just find this law as complete absurd and just thinking if Iím breaking the law as well? Iím eu citizen, living in Switzerland lat 8 years. I drive swiss car which is registered to my partner name. I often go to France for shopping or swimming pool just outside Geneve. So it seems I like Iím breaking the law and could be fine for bringing not EU registered car into EU?
And how this law applies to other EU citizens living in Switzerland? For example my partner. He is uk national, living in Switzerland but he also runs a business in UK and spends some time there as well. He drives a lot his swiss car in EU , so maybe he is breaking the law as well?
Yes but you are not resident in the EU are you? The German pensioner and the OP are resident in the EU, although admittedly his status is looking very iffy right now. And that is why he is in this mess.

In a nutshell the law prevents EU residents from importing cars etc.. into the EU without paying the appropriate duties. So you need not worry about it.
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Re: Driving a Swiss Registered Car in the EU by a Dual CH and EU Residence Permits Ho

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The key point here is that you can only be resident in one country.
You can have many residencies as you wish but normally only one is your habitual. It is not forbidden to have multiple residencies , but problem is, as we can see, that multiple residencies can bite you majorly in the ass.

In the worst case you are a tax resident with all obligations in multiple countries.

If the UK residence card has been issued correctly is an other question.
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Re: Driving a Swiss Registered Car in the EU by a Dual CH and EU Residence Permits Ho

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The key point here is that you can only be resident in one country.
Under what legal system?

In the UK, (simplification) you are deemed a resident after 91 days in a calendar year living in your house. So you could travel to London 2-3 days a week, and easily be considered a tax resident.

In CH, you are a resident after registration. I believe that's within 14 days?

In some African countries, you cannot own a business without being a resident. Requirements for residency are to pay taxes, register and provide fingerprints.

Quite easy to be a resident of 2-3 countries...
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I just find this law as complete absurd and just thinking if Iím breaking the law as well? Iím eu citizen, living in Switzerland
IT IS NOT ABOUT CITIZENSHIP. IT IS ABOUT RESIDENCY.
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That only applies to EU/EEA/CH/UK citizens, everyone else has to have the correct paperwork, visas etc and registration with the home office.
Then if thatís what constitute registration then I am registered by default with the Home Office.
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If you read my post properly, you would know I have the permit by virtue of my marriage to my wife, whoís British in London and canít move now to Switzerland.

The UK authorities know of my residence in CH and there isnít anything hidden from both the UK and Swiss authorities. So donít give the perception that something is illegal with me having dual residence permits.

Iím looking for feedback on whether indeed it is correct that the Austrians considered me an EU tax resident even though I am not a tax resident in the UK.
I did read your post correctly and my answer is based on that. If you read the EU legislation you quoted correctly youíd realize they are referring to your habitual residence and it has nothing to do with your tax status in the UK.

It is possible to be tax resident in multiple countries at one time but it is impossible to be habitually resident in multiple countries at one time. Depending on how this case goes you may well find that the Swiss authorities concluded you no longer meet the permit requirements since you applied for a UK resident permit.

And by the way, you do meet the requirements to be considered tax resident in the UK! You donít meet the commonly applied 183 days rule, but you you do meet the legal requirements - you have a resident permit, you have family in the UK, you have a place to stay when you visit the UK and you make regular visits. And according to recent practice notes issued by HMS Revenue to tax advisers they intend to apply this criteria going forward.

Your attempt at gaming the system for convenient travel has landed you in this mess. Get yourself a very good lawyer because you clearly donít understand the legal concepts involved in this.
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Under what legal system?

In the UK, (simplification) you are deemed a resident after 91 days in a calendar year living in your house. So you could travel to London 2-3 days a week, and easily be considered a tax resident.

In CH, you are a resident after registration. I believe that's within 14 days?

In some African countries, you cannot own a business without being a resident. Requirements for residency are to pay taxes, register and provide fingerprints.

Quite easy to be a resident of 2-3 countries...
International law. You can be resident in multiple countries and tax resident in multiple countries, but habitually resident in only one country at a time and that is almost always the country of domicile as well. That is why A215 refers to habitual residents.
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I did read your post correctly and my answer is based on that. If you read the EU legislation you quoted correctly you’d realize they are referring to your habitual residence and it has nothing to do with your tax status in the UK.

It is possible to be tax resident in multiple countries at one time but it is impossible to be habitually resident in multiple countries at one time. Depending on how this case goes you may well find that the Swiss authorities concluded you no longer meet the permit requirements since you applied for a UK resident permit.

And by the way, you do meet the requirements to be considered tax resident in the UK! You don’t meet the commonly applied 183 days rule, but you you do meet the legal requirements - you have a resident permit, you have family in the UK, you have a place to stay when you visit the UK and you make regular visits. And according to recent practice notes issued by HMS Revenue to tax advisers they intend to apply this criteria going forward.

Your attempt at gaming the system for convenient travel has landed you in this mess. Get yourself a very good lawyer because you clearly don’t understand the legal concepts involved in this.
I know it might be hard to give benefit of doubt to total strangers, but I can assure you there’s no gaming the system involved here. I don’t need a permit or visa to visit UK as a tourist. If anything, it’s been a cost burden.

Thanks for your input on the latest HMRC notes. I’ll revert to my UK tax advisor. I am not avoiding paying UK by any stretch of the imagination. If I’m deemed a UK tax resident, I will pay accordingly after applying DTA btw UK and CH. Btw, when I said I’m not tax resident in the UK, I only meant for 2019. Subsequent years will have to be assessed at a later time, as I understand.

As many have stated and you, the issue is my habitual residence and that I believe is CH given the summary I gave about where my center of life.
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Then if thatís what constitute registration then I am registered by default with the Home Office.
Exactly, you have by your actions indicated that your intention was to be considered a UK resident and by extension an EU resident. It is going to be very hard to persuade a court to ignore that and just consider you a Swiss resident.
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It is possible to be tax resident in multiple countries at one time but it is impossible to be habitually resident in multiple countries at one time. Depending on how this case goes you may well find that the Swiss authorities concluded you no longer meet the permit requirements since you applied for a UK resident permit.
He neither left the country without intend to return nor does it look like his habitual residence is outside Switzerland. For me it looks like the Swiss permit C is still correct. However, if the habitual residence is outside Switzerland permit G would be correct. Except that there is a major pitfall: A non-EU/EFTA person with habitual residence in the UK is not eligible for a permit G
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International law. You can be resident in multiple countries and tax resident in multiple countries, but habitually resident in only one country at a time and that is almost always the country of domicile as well. That is why A215 refers to habitual residents.
Thanks for the clarification. This is really the point I was getting at, that regardless of how many countries you may have the right to live in, or that you may have homes in, only one of them can be regarded as the principal residency, and you'll generally, as in this case, be subject to rules based on that assumption.

There can be difficulties, as was the case when we first came here before the French/Swiss bilateral agreements were in force. We were spending most nights at our house in France, but some time at our flat in Basel too, so when my wife finally cracked at the border in her Swiss registered car the French customs were adamant that we were primarily resident there and needed to pay tax on said car, which we did. At the same time, though, we wanted to keep our Basel flat, so as far as the Swiss were concerned that was our primary (indeed only) residence.

My point in retelling that story is to emphasise that if you think you can exploit a loophole, the chances are that other parties, e.g. the French customs, are nearly always going to interpret things in the way that's best for them, and you may be left without a leg to stand on.

In our case we paid duty on the car, but maintained its Swiss registration. French customs would occasionally tell us that we needed to register it in France, but I'd tell them to shove it (not their are of authority or expertise, and they don't habitually share info with the police). Swiss authorities would not have been so easy to deal with. And then, of course, the bilateral agreement came into force and resolved the issue for us once and for all.
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Re: Driving a Swiss Registered Car in the EU by a Dual CH and EU Residence Permits Ho

Iím being to think the OPs best strategy might be to not kick up too much dust, accept the decision of the court, pay the fine and slip quietly into the crowd in the hope that no one in authority will notice. I believe it has the potential to open up a big can of worms when it comes to resident permits.
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I’m being to think the OPs best strategy might be to not kick up too much dust, accept the decision of the court, pay the fine and slip quietly into the crowd in the hope that no one in authority will notice. I believe it has the potential to open up a big can of worms when it comes to resident permits.
If found guilty and fined he has to pay 30% of the cars value as regular tax and duty and up to 60% of the cars value as a fine.

Duty is 10% of cars value, VAT is 20% of cars value, the fine is up to 2x of the previous two. Jail time can be added on top of that.
https://www.bmf.gv.at/themen/steuern...trafhoehe.html
https://www.oeamtc.at/thema/eigenimport/

I am not sure if the permit can of worms is that bigger.
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Iím being to think the OPs best strategy might be to not kick up too much dust, accept the decision of the court, pay the fine and slip quietly into the crowd in the hope that no one in authority will notice. I believe it has the potential to open up a big can of worms when it comes to resident permits.
Thanks for your concern. Both the Home Office and CH authorities knew about my dual permits even prior for the CH authorities. That's not the issue. The issue is about being criminally convicted and fined on a technicality for a law meant deter criminal tax evasion activities that I clearly was not engaged in.
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Re: Driving a Swiss Registered Car in the EU by a Dual CH and EU Residence Permits Ho

As far as I know, a UK alien's residence card (like my UK Swiss citizen's residence card) is a matter of immigration law and not tax law, domicile, habitual or tax residence or anything else. (I won't discuss taxation beyond the statement that it is conceivable that HMRC could use your status and the rebuttable presumption of common marital domicile to try to tax you. Far-fetched or not, it's something to be wary of.) Like a US green card (except that the US taxes green card holders as if they were citizens, wherever they live: no European country does that). My UK pink card will expire with Brexit when the Settlement Scheme takes over, and I won't be eligible for that because I now have my principal residence in Switzerland. But (like a Green Card and the pink card but for its cancellation by Brexit) having such a card means that the right of abode remains for 2 or 5 years as the case may be so long as one re-visits the country and the card is not otherwise forfeited or cancelled. Income tax liability depends on the tax treaty. Customs liability has some anomalies -- like the rule that (without derogation, normally given for commercial vehicles and certain hire cars) a resident may not drive a foreign-registered car. The issue is complicated when a vehicle is used for commercial purposes, in this case to import industrial goods. The clever cross-border traveller leaves the vehicle in the country where it is clearly legal, then approaches Customs in the other country -- and if necessary a Customs Broker who can provide a bond. Back in the day I drove around the Mediterranean with a Carnet de Passage en Douane, a book issued by the American Automobile Association that would be stamped, and a coupon removed, at entry and exit of any country that demanded it. (Such carnets may also be issued for tools of the trade of visiting workmen and for trade shows.) The lesson here is not to be careless with cards and documents in a wallet. The UK card proves nothing except your right to present yourself for admission to the UK but it is likely to be misconstrued elsewhere, especially by a civil-law country where a similar document may have a different meaning. You should be able to get an attestation from the Home Office that will help your Austrian case. A last comment: with the abolition of entry and exit passport stamps by the UK it seems obvious they now have computer records. Just as the USA does, based on aircraft manifests: arrival/departure history is available on the USCIS I-94 webpage

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Exactly, you have by your actions indicated that your intention was to be considered a UK resident and by extension an EU resident. It is going to be very hard to persuade a court to ignore that and just consider you a Swiss resident.
He should have waited a few weeks.

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Re: Driving a Swiss Registered Car in the EU by a Dual CH and EU Residence Permits Ho

What happened before the authorities handled you the UK residence permit?

To begin with, someone does not "receive a resident permit from the UK due to spouse being British and currently living in London". The permit does not appears one day in the mailbox. Individuals need to apply for permits. Then, there should have been an application or a question such as "where you come from"?

  1. If you answered Switzerland, the people in the UK would have replied "please deregister there, then come back with proof of it". But this did not happen since you still hold the CH permit.
  2. If you answered "non-EU country", the people in the UK failed in their duty to check if you already resided in any Schengen zone country.
Intentionally or not, you were caught with 2 residence permits. Lawyer up and good luck. If the CH prosecutors ask the UK how and why you have an UK permit, point #2 above may arise and the car story may be the smallest of your worries. Even if the UK authorities made a mistake, it's easier to throw you under the bus than acknowledge the mistake.
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He neither left the country without intend to return nor does it look like his habitual residence is outside Switzerland. For me it looks like the Swiss permit C is still correct. However, if the habitual residence is outside Switzerland permit G would be correct. Except that there is a major pitfall: A non-EU/EFTA person with habitual residence in the UK is not eligible for a permit G
Habitual residence is a topic on which entire books have been written. If it was not for the fact that the man has a wife in the UK, has a place to stay in the UK, makes regular visits to the UK, holds a UK resident permit it and will appear before an EU court it would be fine....

It is the kind of case that can end up being very expensive.
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I’m being to think the OPs best strategy might be to not kick up too much dust, accept the decision of the court, pay the fine and slip quietly into the crowd in the hope that no one in authority will notice. I believe it has the potential to open up a big can of worms when it comes to resident permits.
The fine will be massive.... there was a similar case mentioned on here recently I think and it was tens of thousands of euros.

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