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Work in Switzerland, live in Germany

Hi all,

I know that there are a lot of posts about that topic but still I can't find the right answers.
I am an EU citizen who will work in Zurich. I am planning to live in a German town near the border, possibly Waldshut-Tiengen.
The main question is can I only pay the Swiss taxes? I am thinking of getting a short term rental arround Zurich for a few months so I can sort the things with the work and residence permit. After that I will leave the Zurich accomodation, relocate in Waldshut-Tiengen and not register my address there. Is it possible in these circumstances to stay with my permit B, travel on a daily basis, pay my taxes in Switzerland but sleep in Waldshut? What troubles I can get if I decide to proceed in that way?
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Old 01.02.2020, 07:02
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in Germany

First of all you would be evading taxes in German, which is apparently a criminal offense and carries a jail sentence of up to five years. And secondly if you are not resident in Switzerland your permit would be invalid and you’d be working illegally, which could also have consequences for your employer, so don’t expect them to be very excited about it, should they find out.

In other words a dumb idea, either comply with the rules for a G permit or a B permit.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in Germany

You will need to redirect your post though if the rental in ZH is only short-term. Perhaps direct it to a post office box before you leave the ZH address.

Information on taxes: https://www.grenzgaenger-information...nzg%C3%A4nger/
if you are on a G permit for cross-border workers.

However your plan is to obtain a B permit in Zurich, - if you do this, you will only be taxed in Switzerland.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in Germany

As Jim 2007 said, a very bad idea. Plus, you need to register in Germany when you live there. And even if the official mills grind slowly, they grind and in the end you can risk everything (and the amount to pay in penalties will make any benefit you may have had look very very small).

Search for a place to live outside of Zurich, rents are a lot cheaper.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in Germany

Does the short-term rental have to be in Zurich? Could it not be in another canton?
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in Germany

Any possible saving you may make will be eaten up by bullshit rentals, traveling and all the rest.


Staying "official" in Switzerland means you pay Swiss rent, Swiss tax and Swiss health insurance, just to start with.


Fantastic idea, why has nobody else thought of this i wonder
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in Germany

I made my calculations for the life in Waldschut and wherever in Switzerland. I don't care about the travel distance (aprx 40-60min driving) and travel costs. I have a nice car with LPG installation and anyways if I live in "der Schweiz" I will still need to drive to my workplace since my residence will be outside of Zurich.
Can you please advise am I doing something illegal if I rent a very cheap room anywhere in Switzerland permanently and there is registered the residence and permit B, but still at the same time I am renting in Walschut and sleep there every day.
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I made my calculations for the life in Waldschut and wherever in Switzerland. I don't care about the travel distance (aprx 40-60min driving) and travel costs. I have a nice car with LPG installation and anyways if I live in "der Schweiz" I will still need to drive to my workplace since my residence will be outside of Zurich.
Can you please advise am I doing something illegal if I rent a very cheap room anywhere in Switzerland permanently and there is registered the residence and permit B, but still at the same time I am renting in Walschut and sleep there every day.
It is illegal to not inform the Swiss authorities when leaving the country and
It is illegal to live in Germany and work in Switzerland without a proper border worker permit.
It is illegal to not pay taxes in Germany events it is your main residence.
It is illegal to have a Swiss car in Germany while being a German resident.

Keeping a rental for show is not going to change that.

But hey, you have been warned and it would be your shit if you get caught and not mine, so yeah great plan go ahead.
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I made my calculations for the life in Waldschut and wherever in Switzerland. I don't care about the travel distance (aprx 40-60min driving) and travel costs. I have a nice car with LPG installation and anyways if I live in "der Schweiz" I will still need to drive to my workplace since my residence will be outside of Zurich.
Can you please advise am I doing something illegal if I rent a very cheap room anywhere in Switzerland permanently and there is registered the residence and permit B, but still at the same time I am renting in Walschut and sleep there every day.
If you are "living" in Switzerland and Germany, you are liable to pay tax to both countries. Not paying tax in Germany would be illegal. If living in Germany you have to register there too.

https://www.expatica.com/de/moving/v...ermany-108794/

Within one or two weeks of moving into permanent accommodation (depending on the German state), you must register your address in Germany with the police at the local residents’ registration office of the town hall (Einwohnermeldeamt or Bürgeramt)). Registration in Germany is a rule that applies to everyone, even German nationals.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in Germany

Who defines where is my main residence. From your post it turns out that any Swiss resident who has two homes, his property, is not allowed to move freely in Germany. When he enter Germany he must have car with German plates and he must pay his taxes there even if his home, life, work, health insurance is in Switzerland. That's madness.
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Who defines where is my main residence. From your post it turns out that any Swiss resident who has two homes, his property, is not allowed to move freely in Germany. When he enter Germany he must have car with German plates and he must pay his taxes there even if his home, life, work, health insurance is in Switzerland. That's madness.
Don't be so dumb.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in Germany

I am a registered Swiss resident and I travel daily to Germany to see my girlfriend. I do not register at here residence since I am guest. Why somebody will stop me to visit Germany and will take my taxes since I do not have anything related to this country, I am just visiting and I am EU Citizen?
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I am a registered Swiss resident and I travel daily to Germany to see my girlfriend. I do not register at here residence since I am guest. Why somebody will stop me to visit Germany and will take my taxes since I do not have anything related to this country, I am just visiting and I am EU Citizen?
If you sleep every night at your GF than you are not just a guest.
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I am just visiting and I am EU Citizen?
You can be "just visiting" for a maximum of 3 months.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in Germany

So I am not allowed to be in Germany on a daily basis without register. The authorities will know where I am going and what I am doing. I can't be a daily visiter to this country. That sounds totally against the EU policy.
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So I am not allowed to be in Germany on a daily basis without register. The authorities will know where I am going and what I am doing. I can't be a daily visiter to this country. That sounds totally against the EU policy.
You wouldn't be a visitor, you would be living there, staying overnight there. You are allowed to live there as an EU citizen, but you have to register and pay your taxes. It's not complicated!
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in Germany

Yes, paying taxex for the money which I didn't earn from their economic system and not using their health insurance system or any other government benefits . Still I will pay rent, spend money in this country and they will take the money which I earn legally, which are nothing to do with them. That's not gonna happen.
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I thought the OP would be resident in CH.
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Re: Work in Switzerland, live in Germany

Benefit: Lower accommodation and living costs.
Risk: getting caught. You may find yourself prosecuted for immigration and / or tax offences.
Now, make your own decision. You can always present your arguments to a judge if it all goes badly.

Btw, classic trolling behaviour. Newbie posts controversial/stupid question and when challenged starts to argue.
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